For those of you who know me, you know that I do not attack people. I do not strike first. Sometimes, I do not even strike back. But with our friends writing another blog full of speculation and blatant lies, I feel the need to respond.
Their new blog is, like the first two, complete speculation. This time their information claims to have come from a "source". I think anyone who has been following what has been going down in the past little while within certain circles will be able to figure out who the source is. I will not post his/her name because it is not my place, but let's call them "X".
So, X writes a letter, of sorts, to X's supporters. These blog writers received this letter and decide to post it in their blog - with some editing. Following this, they post a list of names which they claim is "Karen Faye's updated hit list" which she wrote and "shared with her followers" who in turn "attack the people on the list".
Alright.
Let's deal with the letter first.
One of the most interesting things about this letter is that it was, in fact, edited. The original letter did NOT have any names in it. It had "X", "Y" and "Z". Now I am not saying that "X" did not make it clear who they were referring to, however, there were NO NAMES in the original letter. I assume that this was for a reason.
Now, I have no idea if X wanted their letter shared on a public blog at all. That's not my concern.. that is for X to deal with. However, I have to wonder why X would write a letter with "X" "Y" and "Z" if they knew that this letter was going to be posted on a public blog with NAMES INSERTED. The blog writer claimed they were told to insert the names. I'm not so sure about that. But, again, none of my business. I just want to make it clear that these blog writers did insert the names themselves.
As far as the information in this letter goes.. well, it is no less speculation than it has been in the past. Karen herself said publicly today:
"I do not have a book, movie deal, or hit list."
So, once again, you are going to have to believe what you believe. As always, these people are unable to offer any proof of their words, simply speculation and "sources". They claim that everything was verified - well... that's what they said last time too.. and we saw how that went down.
This to me is simply another attack without anything to back it up. Now, WHY would this source post such a thing? I dunno. I think if you know who the source is you might be able to come up with a couple of possibilities, but again, as much as I would love to put it out there, it is not my place to do so. So I will just say that, again, this is pure speculation with no backup.
Personally? I think it's a load of BS. Much of it is illogical, ALL of it is speculation and none of it seems legit.
Now, let's move on to this "hit list" that is causing so many problems, shall we?
First thing I want to make clear:
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT LIST BEFORE IN MY LIFE.
Okay? Was that clear enough? Never. Not once. So, there goes that rumor that she posted it publicly for all of her "followers" to see and attack the people. 'Cause I didn't see it. Did you?
I do not know where that list of names came from and frankly I'm not that interested. There isn't even any proof that Karen wrote the list (and even if she did, it could be as simple as a list of the people who were blocked from her account or something.) and CERTAINLY no proof that she posted it anywhere. (Because she didn't.).
As for the "this is an updated list" comment... that doesn't make much sense to me either. If it's a new and updated "people that wronged me" list that Karen created.. why are half the people that were on the original "list" (which I will get to in a second) not on there? Hm.
These "hit list" accusations are getting ridiculous now. There is not and has never been a HIT LIST. I understand some people do not like that Karen posted that original list on her FB page. That is neither here nor there at this point - whether you like that she posted it or not, it was not a HIT LIST. ALL she did was post a list of members of a Facebook page. Why did she post it? In my opinion, which I still stand by, she was simply calling people out. You can have a different opinion, that's fine. That still doesn't make it a hit list. So stop with that, please.
As for this "new list"... the funniest thing is... THEY, who complained about Karen posting names, have now POSTED A LIST OF NAMES. FULL names! And, again, seeing as how I for one have never seen such a list before, it was new to me. So, now they have done exactly what they accused Karen of doing when they said she made a "hit list". THEY have posted these names in public. AND they made it look like their "source" did it too - they didn't, btw. That was all the blog writers doing.
So, my question is... since Karen was blamed for anything that happened to anyone on that "list" she originally posted... does that mean that now.. if anyone attacks the people on this new list that THEY posted.. that it is now THEIR fault?
Hmmm...
Think it through.. keep your heart and mind open... and stop the speculation and the lies
Till next time...
Saturday, March 20, 2010
Friday, March 19, 2010
"There's Nothing That Can't Be Done If We Raise Our Voice As One"
Totally random, I know. But take a second to read this please.
I am asking all of you - whether we agree on things or not - to please check this link out. Please spread it around. It will take about a minute of your time to get involved by sending an email.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uncover-Michael-Jacksons-Name-The-Gardner-St-School-Issue-Campaign/339260689115
I am asking all of you - whether we agree on things or not - to please check this link out. Please spread it around. It will take about a minute of your time to get involved by sending an email.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uncover-Michael-Jacksons-Name-The-Gardner-St-School-Issue-Campaign/339260689115
Friday, March 12, 2010
The Truth About Their Truth, part 3.
If it wasn't enough that they already had that first blog, they decided they had to write another one. Why? I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine. As I have said before, I find the level of hate to be... a little strange at best. It's almost an obsession, IMO. But.. then that's just my opinion. So... here's their second blog which was made public recently. I actually left a comment on their blog saying some of what I am going to say here - most of which got ignored. I will show you the parts that did not get ignored and what was said. (I can use the copy paste function too! Just like them!) ;)
Alright... here we go.
Over the last couple of months a group of us have been collecting and verifying information. Everything I post has been verified. We have sources close
to the Jackson family and we talk directly to people who were close to Michael.
You certainly have been "collecting information", that's for sure. But verified? Everything you post has been verified huh? By someone reliable and close to the family? Okay. Let's see about this verified information you're about to share.. :)
This second blog is to clarify a few things and maybe answer some of your questions along the way. Several people have asked about the "Hit List" Karen posted on her Facebook page - whether you are on her page or not or whether you've seen it on her page doesn't really matter - I saw and so did thousands of other people. I'm going to post the exact status update KF did that day but I will be removing everyone's names to protect their privacy. By posting our names she incited violence and hatred amongst Michael's Fans.
Karen Faye Kissinger: "Attention all of my real friends:
there is a secret FB page called "Fans Against Karen Faye".
The following are people are members of that site.
Ten minutes ago ·
{81 Full Names were posted here}
33 minutes ago
Karen Faye Kissinger
"if you know them, or they are on your friend list,
please be cautious. They are not my friends."
30 minutes ago
Karen Faye Kissinger
"check your friend lists please...and be cautious."
25 minutes ago
She knew exactly what would happen - she insinuates and says things in a round about way and her fans dash off to start the harassment.
One of her fans posted in her status that the 3 people running the ACMC page on facebook were employed by SONY to spy...on who I don't know but I'm pretty sure SONY could care less about the childish antics of a mentally unstable cosmetician\Hair Dresser.
Oh, LORD. Okay. Where do I begin? Alright. First off.. I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with their usage of the words "hit list", LOL. Let me take you through what happened here.
Now, let's say that you are Karen Faye.. and you get told that there is a group of people on Facebook who are in a group called "Fans Against Karen Faye". A number of the members of this group are also on your friends list. What would YOU do? Well, probably delete them off your friends list for starters right? Okay. So you do that. NOW, you have some of these people running around talking about how Karen Faye delete you off Facebook for having a different opinion than her and OMG she's so evil and blah blah blah. Now... Karen has asked many times... that if you don't like her.. if you don't trust her... just delete yourself. Of course she knew not everyone was going to do that. Of course there were still going to be people creeping around her page and what not. But now, you have found out who a lot of them are. Now, what do you do with this information? I guess that's up to you. Some people obviously feel that Karen posting that list of names was some kind of act to get her "followers" (please.) to act out against these people and to harass them. Personally, I think it was to call these people out. Look... YOU made a choice to join this group (and for goodness sake, people, if you're going to have a group like this, why would you leave the members list open? LOL) and try to play both sides. YOU got caught. YOU got called out. There was certainly no intention of anyone being harassed or threatened. There were not links to profiles even posted, which she obviously had since she deleted people. She CALLED PEOPLE OUT. The freakin' end. The reactions to this have been so utterly strange. You would think she posted instructions to go to these peoples homes and harm their first born child.
Now,let me make something clear - apparently some people from Karen's FB page used the names on that list to "harass" people. I do not know how much of that is true (if any.). I certainly have not harassed anyone. However - if anyone has been harassed - of course, that is not right. Nobody should be calling people and threatening them. (Though once again, I do find it VERY interesting that these very people who complain about harassment spent a whole lot of time sending Karen some pretty awful tweets!). That, however, is not Karen's fault.
Like I have said before, the people on Karen's page are grown. They make their own decisions. It is NOT for Karen to take responsibility for every single one of their actions.
You say that she did that because she KNEW her friends would harass those people? I disagree, but that's fine. You can have your opinion. I just think it's comical to hear about people talk about calling the FBI because someone posted a list of names of members of a public Facebook group on their Facebook profile. (Meanwhile, btw, the very people who wrote this blog whining about being harassed and Karen using names have on more than one occasion used their own names of people who they felt wronged them - is that hypocritical? I don't know. You tell me.)
It is interesting that this group of people also talk about how they are not a HATE group and it's about LOVE and TRUTH and then call Karen a "mentally unstable hair dresser". Good job, guys. That's taking the high road! Even if you think you have been wronged by her, who are the ones being insulting now?
Now as for this Sony thing.. Karen cannot help what other people think or say. I am not saying that anyone works for Sony. That person who wrote the status update though, whoever that was, is not the only one that has wondered such a thing. I mean... you can't blame people for asking questions when there is such a strange level of hatred for certain people who have been saying certain things... and very little "hate" for other people who have done a lot of harm to Michael... but... well, that's speculation an that's not what we're doing here, right? ;) I'm just saying... you can't blame people for being like "wtf is going on here?"
She bad mouthed AEG all over Facebook and Twitter which in turn, her fans did also. Mean, Nasty and Hateful things. Why stop at AEG - why not bad mouth Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne too! Did anyone notice how quickly she stopped mud slinging at AEG?? As soon as she got paid is the answer.
First of all, why yes I did take out the part where you chose to personally attack someone else. It is bad enough that you are doing what you are doing to Karen, but unfortunately, I guess, Karen has become somewhat of a public figure. When you start talking about other people and what they said to someone else.. I am not going to be a part of that. Sorry.
I think it is funny how you refer to people that support Karen as her "fans". I know you mean that in an insulting way and so I did not want you to think that I did notice your clever insult. So, good job, A+. Anyway.
I am not going to get into who said what to who about who and blah blah blah. That's not my place.
This business about "stopped mud slinging AEG blah blah as soon as she got paid" whatever is nonsense as well, btw. No idea where that came from.
Side note - Michael did NOT hire Karen Faye for this tour, AEG with a few others hired her because she was the only one willing to work and get paid at the end of the tour....I guess she had nothing else to do *shrugs*
Oh, really? Did AEG tell you that? LOL.. well, first of all, like I said before, if AEG hired Karen and Michael did not want Karen, since he was so in control of everything as you say he was, why wouldn't he have just said "oh, no, I don't want her"? And do you REALLY think they could not have found another makeup artist willing to not get paid at the end of the tour... to work for MICHAEL JACKSON? Yeah. That's what I thought too. And all this is just IF what you are saying is true which I do not think it is.
Forest Lawn - After the pictures of Michaels crypt got loose on the net - was asked by Katherine Jackson to do an investigation into who took the pictures in the
first place. Forest Lawn reported back and Katherine BANNED Karen Faye from there for life....just her.
A+ Detective work guys! Karen Faye took the pictures! ....um, duh? Was that a secret in your minds? Of course she took them. She took them and POSTED THEM ON HER FACEBOOK PAGE. SHE WAS NOT HIDING THE FACT THAT SHE TOOK THEM. Good lord. Good investigation. And, oh, really? Banned for life you say? That's pretty intense... do you have any proof of that one? All I'm saying is what I've said before.. I know that Karen and the family are on good terms. So, yeah.
Michael fired Karen Faye 2 different times in the past - the last time being in 2005 after the MJJSOURCE fiasco. Michael was not happy that she and Randy were
make money off His name, they charged money for memberships and collected money for merchandise that no one ever received nor was any moneys reimbursed to MJ's fans.
She blamed Michael for everything and MJ was going through the trial at the time - he had no stake in the website.
According to what Karen herself has said MICHAEL did not fire Karen ever. I will not even go into MJJSource AGAIN, just check my last blog. BUT, I would like to point out one of many accuracy problems in this blog - there was no money charged for being a member of the site. I didn't pay anything and I looked at the site. You are talking about ordering things. And, AGAIN, no back and look at my older post for why this MJJSource is ridiculous. Thanks.
What about these MJ Memorial Bracelets the KF said Michael originally picked out to give to the cast and crew of the TII Tour but that they didn't arrive before
Michael passed....So 2 things - If MJ did pick them out for the crew I'm pretty sure he would have had them way before that. and 2 Michael picked those out????
Seriously?? Are you kidding me??? and KF and Randy are selling them for $40....Ok, really???
Ooh, yay! This is one of my favorite parts of this blog.
2 Things:
1. What are you talking about. If MJ did pick them out for the crew I'm pretty sure he would have had them way before that... what? What are you saying...? I mean.. what are you saying? Why on earth would you have assumed that they would have already been there? Maybe he had the idea later on. Maybe they weren't ready yet? Maybe he planned to give it to them in London? Or when the concerts started? I mean.. I don't even know what you're talking about.
2. Randy? LOL. Funny story guys. See, I thought they just mispelled "Randi". Nope. Apparently, their "verified" information/source close to the family told them it was Randy as in RANDY JACKSON selling the bracelets. I had to comment TWICE on their original blog explaining their little "mistake" and still have not gotten a response from them on that (not that I was expecting one. They didn't respond to pretty much anything. However, at one point someone else commenting on their blog did tell me they "stood corrected" on the bracelet issue. So, that's something I guess. This just goes to show you though how good their sources and information are though, right? ;)
Flash forward to the Psychic reading (I figure that was a lie also and Ill tell you why) TMZ was obviously scoping facebook for info or a story (maybe it was a slow week LOL)and low and behold - all over Faye's facebook page was her discussing the reading her and Lisa Marie had, TMZ runs the story cause they really don't care if its true and the media start to message her - she acts annoyed about the whole thing posts some poor reporters email and - the kf followers ATTACK via email and phone calls. They tryed to contact LMP for her side and LMP did not comment. Hmmmmm maybe cause it didn't happen and just a few weeks before that KF was badmouthing Lisa and
she VERY obviously doesn't like her. I cant see Lisa hanging out with Karen of all people..??? She is the daughter of the effen King Of Rock and Roll!!!!
Flash Forward to it wasn't TMZ that published that story, it was The Sun. More accuracy! (For the record, this is the one point that they agreed they messed up on. I guess they kinda had to agree. Since it's out there in black and white.)
Now, REALLY guys? Really? Karen made the whole thing up did she? Grow up.
As for why LMP did not respond... uh... unless you talked to her yourself, do you know why that is? Maybe she doesn't talk to tabloids? Maybe she doesn't care? But, I'm interested in knowing how that translates in any way to "maybe 'cause it didn't happen"? I would actually think it would be MORE likely that she would comment if it didn't happen to say "that never happened" than if it DID happen...
Besides, how do you even know they contacted LMP? Do you have LMP insider information too? LOL
There was no badmouthing. Proof?
And... the daughter of the "King of Rock and Roll" wouldn't be hanging out with Karen because.. why, exactly?
The "Friends of Karen" people are trolling facebook harassing people all the while using KF's name LOL nice one guys - called a woman at her home and was vulger and nasty (this woman has nothing at all to do with KF or even MJ but they did it anyway)
Total speculation, zero proof, and I have seen NO evidence of this on that page. Everyone on that page, as far as I know are lovely people. So... sorry if someone got harassed.. but do not blame that page for that. And I still do not see how you guys get to complain about harassment... allow me, once again, to direct you to your own twitter.
Now, a few days ago Debbie Rowe went to Forest Lawn to pay her respects - she noticed all the fans and drove around 3 times waiting for them to leave. This poor woman thought we all hated her. We definitely do not hate Miss Debbie Rowe, in fact we RESPECT her soooo very much for always staying true to Michael even after his death do you notice that the people who actually loved, respected and care for Michael have not said anything about him - well except how much they love and miss him..??
In my humble opinion - Karen is NOT one of those people.
I am glad to see a sudden respect for Debbie from some fans. She certainly has not always been so beloved.
Once again - Karen is not speaking to hear her own voice. But, if you cannot understand that or refuse to, then fine. My request is for those of you who are simply reading these blogs and taking them as truth... for you to, once again, make up your own minds by hearing two sides of the stories. Ask questions, do some research, and please do not assume that what these people are saying is true. As you can see, their "reliable" information is questionable at best and horribly wrong at worst. Maybe the two things that I clearly proved were wrong (Randi vs Randy and TMZ vs The Sun) are not big deals, but it speaks to how quickly they are willing to post these things as fact and talk about how verified they are when CLEARLY they are not. So, again. Please... make your own informed decisions and judgments. And if you come to a decision that you do not agree with Karen? Fine. Nobody is saying you have to. But, a little respect would be nice.
And... in MY humble opinion... Karen ABSOLUTELY loved, respected and cared for Michael. I believe that with my whole heart. No matter how many BS blogs you write. ;)
Stay tuned :)
You too! ;)
Alright... here we go.
Over the last couple of months a group of us have been collecting and verifying information. Everything I post has been verified. We have sources close
to the Jackson family and we talk directly to people who were close to Michael.
You certainly have been "collecting information", that's for sure. But verified? Everything you post has been verified huh? By someone reliable and close to the family? Okay. Let's see about this verified information you're about to share.. :)
This second blog is to clarify a few things and maybe answer some of your questions along the way. Several people have asked about the "Hit List" Karen posted on her Facebook page - whether you are on her page or not or whether you've seen it on her page doesn't really matter - I saw and so did thousands of other people. I'm going to post the exact status update KF did that day but I will be removing everyone's names to protect their privacy. By posting our names she incited violence and hatred amongst Michael's Fans.
Karen Faye Kissinger: "Attention all of my real friends:
there is a secret FB page called "Fans Against Karen Faye".
The following are people are members of that site.
Ten minutes ago ·
{81 Full Names were posted here}
33 minutes ago
Karen Faye Kissinger
"if you know them, or they are on your friend list,
please be cautious. They are not my friends."
30 minutes ago
Karen Faye Kissinger
"check your friend lists please...and be cautious."
25 minutes ago
She knew exactly what would happen - she insinuates and says things in a round about way and her fans dash off to start the harassment.
One of her fans posted in her status that the 3 people running the ACMC page on facebook were employed by SONY to spy...on who I don't know but I'm pretty sure SONY could care less about the childish antics of a mentally unstable cosmetician\Hair Dresser.
Oh, LORD. Okay. Where do I begin? Alright. First off.. I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with their usage of the words "hit list", LOL. Let me take you through what happened here.
Now, let's say that you are Karen Faye.. and you get told that there is a group of people on Facebook who are in a group called "Fans Against Karen Faye". A number of the members of this group are also on your friends list. What would YOU do? Well, probably delete them off your friends list for starters right? Okay. So you do that. NOW, you have some of these people running around talking about how Karen Faye delete you off Facebook for having a different opinion than her and OMG she's so evil and blah blah blah. Now... Karen has asked many times... that if you don't like her.. if you don't trust her... just delete yourself. Of course she knew not everyone was going to do that. Of course there were still going to be people creeping around her page and what not. But now, you have found out who a lot of them are. Now, what do you do with this information? I guess that's up to you. Some people obviously feel that Karen posting that list of names was some kind of act to get her "followers" (please.) to act out against these people and to harass them. Personally, I think it was to call these people out. Look... YOU made a choice to join this group (and for goodness sake, people, if you're going to have a group like this, why would you leave the members list open? LOL) and try to play both sides. YOU got caught. YOU got called out. There was certainly no intention of anyone being harassed or threatened. There were not links to profiles even posted, which she obviously had since she deleted people. She CALLED PEOPLE OUT. The freakin' end. The reactions to this have been so utterly strange. You would think she posted instructions to go to these peoples homes and harm their first born child.
Now,let me make something clear - apparently some people from Karen's FB page used the names on that list to "harass" people. I do not know how much of that is true (if any.). I certainly have not harassed anyone. However - if anyone has been harassed - of course, that is not right. Nobody should be calling people and threatening them. (Though once again, I do find it VERY interesting that these very people who complain about harassment spent a whole lot of time sending Karen some pretty awful tweets!). That, however, is not Karen's fault.
Like I have said before, the people on Karen's page are grown. They make their own decisions. It is NOT for Karen to take responsibility for every single one of their actions.
You say that she did that because she KNEW her friends would harass those people? I disagree, but that's fine. You can have your opinion. I just think it's comical to hear about people talk about calling the FBI because someone posted a list of names of members of a public Facebook group on their Facebook profile. (Meanwhile, btw, the very people who wrote this blog whining about being harassed and Karen using names have on more than one occasion used their own names of people who they felt wronged them - is that hypocritical? I don't know. You tell me.)
It is interesting that this group of people also talk about how they are not a HATE group and it's about LOVE and TRUTH and then call Karen a "mentally unstable hair dresser". Good job, guys. That's taking the high road! Even if you think you have been wronged by her, who are the ones being insulting now?
Now as for this Sony thing.. Karen cannot help what other people think or say. I am not saying that anyone works for Sony. That person who wrote the status update though, whoever that was, is not the only one that has wondered such a thing. I mean... you can't blame people for asking questions when there is such a strange level of hatred for certain people who have been saying certain things... and very little "hate" for other people who have done a lot of harm to Michael... but... well, that's speculation an that's not what we're doing here, right? ;) I'm just saying... you can't blame people for being like "wtf is going on here?"
She bad mouthed AEG all over Facebook and Twitter which in turn, her fans did also. Mean, Nasty and Hateful things. Why stop at AEG - why not bad mouth Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne too! Did anyone notice how quickly she stopped mud slinging at AEG?? As soon as she got paid is the answer.
First of all, why yes I did take out the part where you chose to personally attack someone else. It is bad enough that you are doing what you are doing to Karen, but unfortunately, I guess, Karen has become somewhat of a public figure. When you start talking about other people and what they said to someone else.. I am not going to be a part of that. Sorry.
I think it is funny how you refer to people that support Karen as her "fans". I know you mean that in an insulting way and so I did not want you to think that I did notice your clever insult. So, good job, A+. Anyway.
I am not going to get into who said what to who about who and blah blah blah. That's not my place.
This business about "stopped mud slinging AEG blah blah as soon as she got paid" whatever is nonsense as well, btw. No idea where that came from.
Side note - Michael did NOT hire Karen Faye for this tour, AEG with a few others hired her because she was the only one willing to work and get paid at the end of the tour....I guess she had nothing else to do *shrugs*
Oh, really? Did AEG tell you that? LOL.. well, first of all, like I said before, if AEG hired Karen and Michael did not want Karen, since he was so in control of everything as you say he was, why wouldn't he have just said "oh, no, I don't want her"? And do you REALLY think they could not have found another makeup artist willing to not get paid at the end of the tour... to work for MICHAEL JACKSON? Yeah. That's what I thought too. And all this is just IF what you are saying is true which I do not think it is.
Forest Lawn - After the pictures of Michaels crypt got loose on the net - was asked by Katherine Jackson to do an investigation into who took the pictures in the
first place. Forest Lawn reported back and Katherine BANNED Karen Faye from there for life....just her.
A+ Detective work guys! Karen Faye took the pictures! ....um, duh? Was that a secret in your minds? Of course she took them. She took them and POSTED THEM ON HER FACEBOOK PAGE. SHE WAS NOT HIDING THE FACT THAT SHE TOOK THEM. Good lord. Good investigation. And, oh, really? Banned for life you say? That's pretty intense... do you have any proof of that one? All I'm saying is what I've said before.. I know that Karen and the family are on good terms. So, yeah.
Michael fired Karen Faye 2 different times in the past - the last time being in 2005 after the MJJSOURCE fiasco. Michael was not happy that she and Randy were
make money off His name, they charged money for memberships and collected money for merchandise that no one ever received nor was any moneys reimbursed to MJ's fans.
She blamed Michael for everything and MJ was going through the trial at the time - he had no stake in the website.
According to what Karen herself has said MICHAEL did not fire Karen ever. I will not even go into MJJSource AGAIN, just check my last blog. BUT, I would like to point out one of many accuracy problems in this blog - there was no money charged for being a member of the site. I didn't pay anything and I looked at the site. You are talking about ordering things. And, AGAIN, no back and look at my older post for why this MJJSource is ridiculous. Thanks.
What about these MJ Memorial Bracelets the KF said Michael originally picked out to give to the cast and crew of the TII Tour but that they didn't arrive before
Michael passed....So 2 things - If MJ did pick them out for the crew I'm pretty sure he would have had them way before that. and 2 Michael picked those out????
Seriously?? Are you kidding me??? and KF and Randy are selling them for $40....Ok, really???
Ooh, yay! This is one of my favorite parts of this blog.
2 Things:
1. What are you talking about. If MJ did pick them out for the crew I'm pretty sure he would have had them way before that... what? What are you saying...? I mean.. what are you saying? Why on earth would you have assumed that they would have already been there? Maybe he had the idea later on. Maybe they weren't ready yet? Maybe he planned to give it to them in London? Or when the concerts started? I mean.. I don't even know what you're talking about.
2. Randy? LOL. Funny story guys. See, I thought they just mispelled "Randi". Nope. Apparently, their "verified" information/source close to the family told them it was Randy as in RANDY JACKSON selling the bracelets. I had to comment TWICE on their original blog explaining their little "mistake" and still have not gotten a response from them on that (not that I was expecting one. They didn't respond to pretty much anything. However, at one point someone else commenting on their blog did tell me they "stood corrected" on the bracelet issue. So, that's something I guess. This just goes to show you though how good their sources and information are though, right? ;)
Flash forward to the Psychic reading (I figure that was a lie also and Ill tell you why) TMZ was obviously scoping facebook for info or a story (maybe it was a slow week LOL)and low and behold - all over Faye's facebook page was her discussing the reading her and Lisa Marie had, TMZ runs the story cause they really don't care if its true and the media start to message her - she acts annoyed about the whole thing posts some poor reporters email and - the kf followers ATTACK via email and phone calls. They tryed to contact LMP for her side and LMP did not comment. Hmmmmm maybe cause it didn't happen and just a few weeks before that KF was badmouthing Lisa and
she VERY obviously doesn't like her. I cant see Lisa hanging out with Karen of all people..??? She is the daughter of the effen King Of Rock and Roll!!!!
Flash Forward to it wasn't TMZ that published that story, it was The Sun. More accuracy! (For the record, this is the one point that they agreed they messed up on. I guess they kinda had to agree. Since it's out there in black and white.)
Now, REALLY guys? Really? Karen made the whole thing up did she? Grow up.
As for why LMP did not respond... uh... unless you talked to her yourself, do you know why that is? Maybe she doesn't talk to tabloids? Maybe she doesn't care? But, I'm interested in knowing how that translates in any way to "maybe 'cause it didn't happen"? I would actually think it would be MORE likely that she would comment if it didn't happen to say "that never happened" than if it DID happen...
Besides, how do you even know they contacted LMP? Do you have LMP insider information too? LOL
There was no badmouthing. Proof?
And... the daughter of the "King of Rock and Roll" wouldn't be hanging out with Karen because.. why, exactly?
The "Friends of Karen" people are trolling facebook harassing people all the while using KF's name LOL nice one guys - called a woman at her home and was vulger and nasty (this woman has nothing at all to do with KF or even MJ but they did it anyway)
Total speculation, zero proof, and I have seen NO evidence of this on that page. Everyone on that page, as far as I know are lovely people. So... sorry if someone got harassed.. but do not blame that page for that. And I still do not see how you guys get to complain about harassment... allow me, once again, to direct you to your own twitter.
Now, a few days ago Debbie Rowe went to Forest Lawn to pay her respects - she noticed all the fans and drove around 3 times waiting for them to leave. This poor woman thought we all hated her. We definitely do not hate Miss Debbie Rowe, in fact we RESPECT her soooo very much for always staying true to Michael even after his death do you notice that the people who actually loved, respected and care for Michael have not said anything about him - well except how much they love and miss him..??
In my humble opinion - Karen is NOT one of those people.
I am glad to see a sudden respect for Debbie from some fans. She certainly has not always been so beloved.
Once again - Karen is not speaking to hear her own voice. But, if you cannot understand that or refuse to, then fine. My request is for those of you who are simply reading these blogs and taking them as truth... for you to, once again, make up your own minds by hearing two sides of the stories. Ask questions, do some research, and please do not assume that what these people are saying is true. As you can see, their "reliable" information is questionable at best and horribly wrong at worst. Maybe the two things that I clearly proved were wrong (Randi vs Randy and TMZ vs The Sun) are not big deals, but it speaks to how quickly they are willing to post these things as fact and talk about how verified they are when CLEARLY they are not. So, again. Please... make your own informed decisions and judgments. And if you come to a decision that you do not agree with Karen? Fine. Nobody is saying you have to. But, a little respect would be nice.
And... in MY humble opinion... Karen ABSOLUTELY loved, respected and cared for Michael. I believe that with my whole heart. No matter how many BS blogs you write. ;)
Stay tuned :)
You too! ;)
The Truth About Their Truth, part 2.
Karen is mad at AEG for not speaking the truth about MJs health. What Karen seems to forget is what she wrote on her facebook during rehearsal time. She posted that MJ was great and had only uplifting words back then. If that is not the case, then why did she then lie to the fans before June 25? Here are two post she wrote in May 2009.
Karen Faye Kissinger
“running into all the MJJ tour alumni...and meeting all the newbies too. London is going to be AMAZING!!!! THIS IS IT!!!!!!”
“Karen Faye Kissinger
Michael was amazing today… He sends his love and appreciation to all of you. THIS IS IT”
Oh, geez. Okay, we're really gonna go here. Guys... you have to try to understand this one a little better. First of all, I believe that there were some good moments and some bad moments during the rehearsal process. And it is entirely possible that Michael WAS amazing. The issue has never been whether Michael was amazing or not. Furthermore, what was she going to post? "Oh, I don't think he can do this"? You guys cannot possibly seriously be judging her for what she posted on her Facebook during rehearsals.. can you??? Come ON. People. THINK.
She claims that Michael was forced to do the tours because he was financial but this is her first post on facebook after Michael Jackson passed.
“Karen Faye Kissinger
I know how painful it is to loose this beautiful man....I can barely speak, but I must share with you his reason for getting on stage once again. It wasn't for money or to relaunch his career...it was to send the message that we must HEAL THE WORLD, before it's too late. He wanted to let us know that we have a four year window to get it right, to start walking the highest path, or we will loose the earth.”
“Karen Faye Kissinger
I want you to know he was full of love for all of you. He was looking forward to making everyone smile, and unite in these difficult times...to make the world a better place.”
“Karen Faye Kissinger
he was working so hard...and he was so happy when I left him on Wednesday night...this is so difficult”
Okay, a new low. Now we are going to analyze her words from days after Michael died. I can play this game. Fine. Um... first of all, I do believe that Michael DID want to tell everyone to heal the world. He DID believe in that four years thing as we all HEARD HIM SAY in TII. None of that is wrong. Also, nobody EVER said that Michael didn't want to do a single show and did not want to reach out to the fans. Not ONCE was that said. But, ten shows are different from 50, right? And an idea of wanting to be able to reach out to the fans is different than being able to handle doing 50 shows in reality, right? Do you see where I am going with this?
Now, what would you have wanted her to say days after he died when she was grieving? You know how we all felt? Imagine how she felt. I don't even remember that first week other than just being in complete shock. I don't remember what I said to who. Imagine HER pain. In the midst of all that.. when the fans were already grieving so intensely.. when Karen was grieving so intensely.. should she have been discussing all of that? THAT week? Or do you think that maybe this was her way of reaching out to grieving fans and perhaps trying to connect with them herself?
I can't remember the last time I saw someone get judged and criticized so harshly. Give me a break. She did the right thing saying what she said when she said it. It was not up to her to be running around telling everyone everything in May and June and it was certainly not the time to share all of her thoughts the WEEK Michael passed. This is unreal to me.
Now, who's bad? Some fans that have been around Michael for a long time reached out to her because they were concerned about his health. She on the other hand asks them to be quite about it for his sake. She silenced the fans because deep inside she thought MJ would be able to do this. Karen has confessed on her facebook already that MJ rocked and were great on his last rehearsals. It is the same rehearsals we have seen in the movie, and it is during the same time period the fans reached out to her, but she shut them down. Maybe Karen also thought MJ would do this because this is MJ for god sake. That is why she needs to stop blaming KO and RP, what if they all also thought that MJ was gonna be able to do this? We have also seen Karin bitching about that she wasn’t credited in the movie or in the OPUS book. LOL.. She is on a mission to boycott the movie and the executors and the TII crew and then gets mad because no one acknowledged her work. And isn't Karen an enabler as well? She have talked so much about how she knew MJ was taking drugs for years, then what did she do about it? Nothing.
Ah, okay, here we go. These fans who reached out to her about her health - she responded to them, right? We all read the emails, we saw what she said (PROVING that she had concerns BEFORE he died despite what some of you seem to think.). Why did she tell them to be quiet? That is something that we cannot comment on. I would like to say again, that you have to think this one through. Think about why she might have told them to keep it quiet. Just think it through. PLEASE. THINK for yourselves, stop taking the conclusions that these people have come to as fact. If you were Karen and in that situation, what kinds of things would you have to be thinking about? What might be some reasons you would not want it spread all over the place that these things were being discussed or noticed? Please.. THINK, people.
Now, as far as "blaming others" for not noticing... I am uncomfortable going too far into this. However, I would like to point out that as Karen has said publicly, she did everything within her power. Perhaps.... not everyone else did everything within their power. Perhaps that is the problem. I just wish people could listen to what she is saying... really listen... and try to understand. Stop reading blogs and assuming that they are fact. open your mind.. and think about why she may have acted the way she did at that time and why she may have some anger towards some people. And with all THAT aside, let us also remember that not a single one of us were there at rehearsals. Not a single one of us knows what went down in that place. KAREN does. And I would like you all to consider once again... what on Earth she has to gain by "making this up"? Do you think she's making herself any friends in the industry right now? I mean, really.. really.
And what is this crap about her saying she wasn't credited in the movie? She was credited in the movie. She knows that.
As for the Opus.. you guys are weird. You're bringing up such strange things. She wasn't "bitching". She simply made an observation.
And she was not on a mission to BOYCOTT the movie, geez people.
And who the hell are any of you people to tell anyone that Karen did nothing? WERE YOU THERE? Do you have ANY idea what she did or didn't do, what she could and could not have done?! I mean, my god. I just do not understand who some of you people think you are. I mean, honestly, how DARE you. You have no idea. She has ENOUGH to deal with without ignorant people who were not there talking about "blood on her hands" (no, that was not in the blog, but it's been said and you all know it.) and how she did nothing and blah blah blah - you don't know. You have no idea.
The pictures from FL that she posted on your facebook and then blamed the fans when they got leaked is beyond hurtful. Karen Fake is not naive, she has been in the game for a time. She knows that fans quote her off of her site. Prior to the pictures, Karen was telling everyone to be aware because the media was lurking.. and YET she goes and publish the pictures on her facebook. She is to blame and not the fans or whoever that sold them. People who have called TMZ have been told that the original owner sold them to them. That makes you wonder. I hope the rumours are true that Katherine took her off the list from visiting MJ. I mean, it was indeed a LONG time since she visited Michael. LOL
Oh, this one is my favorite. No. She is not naive. She did know what she was doing. What she was doing, you see, was taking pictures, openly admitting to taking pictures and SHARING those pictures. I know a number of people did not like that she did that. That is fine. You do not have to like that she did that. But, a lot of OTHER people felt healed and comforted and thankful for those pictures. Karen has said publicly that Michael would want his fans to be able to see where he is. Now, you may disagree and that's fine. But at the end of the day... Karen knew Michael better than you did. I mean, unless you knew him, but I'm not so sure how many people reading this blog knew him.
Of course TMZ said that the original owner sold them. What else are they going to see? Not even getting into all this again, please see my earlier blog on TMZ if you want to know about THAT and the FL stuff.
She deletes everyone that is not agreeing with her. And she asks fans to spy on each other and then to report to her if someone is suspicious. How low can you be to actually ask the fans to do this and the fans that are doing it, they are brainwashed. MJ would never have wanted this. Karen doesn’t do anything either to stop some people from attacking other. She is encouraging it.
This again? No. She does not delete everyone that does not agree with her. That is never how it went down. I do not care how much all of the butthurt people who got deleted claim that is the case, that is NOT the case. There were a great number of disagreements that were CIVIL and POLITE on her page and no one got deleted. People got deleted if they were RUDE. If they were making accusations (questions are one thing. Mean accusations are another.) And can I just remind you all that that is KAREN'S page? She can delete whoever she wants. This wasn't a Michael Jackson fan club.. it was Karen's personal Facebook page. If she didn't like someone, if she didn't trust someone, if she ha reason to be suspicious of someone, then she is more than within her right to dedlete them.
Brainwashed? LOL. First, I don't really recall Karen asking anyone to spy, but I don't think any of you all have any right to talk about spying anyway, half of you with your fake profiles, and your anti-Karen Facebook groups, and your posting Karen's words all over the place and calling her Karen Craye and Karen Fake and what not but then being all sweet on her page.. come on. You don't even get to talk about spying. You do NOT even get to bring it up. lol
You're right about one thing - Michael would hate this. All of this.
Also:
The great majority of the people that were on Karen's Facebook page are grown. Karen should not have to play hall monitor on her Facebook page with people who cannot handle discussions without attacking. She had 5000 people on there and she had a life to live and was not on her Facebook page every second to monitor every post. It is up to people to behave properly. It is not up to Karen to dictate how people should behave. Please. And she did not ENCOURAGE attacking, lol.
The worst thing are all the personal information she has revealed of people close to MJ. Karen told fans on her facebook that Prince have vitiligo. Karen have been telling fans that Grace has slept with Jermaine. Karen have told the fans about Joanna Thomas and MJs relationship and her sexual life.Why is she out there telling strangers about other peoples private life? She is acting like a 17 year old schoolgirl bitch. This doesn’t concern her or the fans. She is gossiping about other people in an evil-spirited way and people have been hurt. Is it fun for Joanna to know that Karen said the things about her to 5000 people? Karen Fake needs to stop with this. What has Graces or Joannas sexual life to do with "seek truth and love for MJ" as she constantly claims? Karen Fake is is acting like a 17yr old bitch when she is gossiping like that.
Yes, we have hear your opinions about Prince and vitiligo for months. But, it was all cool when La Toya did it, right? Okay.. she's family, that is true. But, if the concern is that people shouldn't know, then why is it okay for one person to say it and not another? And how do you even know it's a secret? Also... do you remember the time period that both Karen and La Toya made these comments? Do you remember what else was going on around this time?
I certainly never saw her comment on her page about Grace and Jermaine. News to me. Proof? You all have screenshots of every damn thing apparently, how come we never see them?
Blah, blah, blah Johanna. You know how supportive Karen has been of her? She actually went out of her way to try to get a mean group about her shut down. That evil evil Karen! All that she has been trying to do with regards to these kinds of things is to tell the TRUTH as opposed to all the rumors all over the place. If that makes her evil, well, then so be it, I guess.
"Karen Fake is is acting like a 17yr old bitch when she is gossiping like that."
MJ would be so proud of you... wow. Shaking my head.
Look at this person guys! If this was someone else close to MJ doing this, no one would have accepted it, but because its Karen Fake, then it is Okay I guess. Would you approve of a friend of MJ feeding Mr Friedman with information? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to reveal Prince medical condition? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to steal money from the fans? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to say his family are crazy and dysfunctional? NO! You wouldn't!
I think it is time for YOU to look at this person. Not one of the things that you have said, you have been able to prove. Not ONE. Most of them have perfectly reasonable explanations. Sometimes it is an "agree to disagree" or "opinion" situation. But, not ONCE have you been able to prove that she is doing ANYTHING that deserves even HALF of the treatment and attacks that she has been getting. People who are reading these blogs and taking them as truth, you NEED to stop. You NEED to look at this properly. You have questions? ASK THEM. I would be happy to answer you as I am sure many people would. But, please... please... see these "facts" for what they are. (Although it is also a good idea to wonder what exactly it is they "are". Why so much hate for such little things, none of which can even be proven, when there are so many other people who have done awful things that we KNOW about who are not recieving this much crap?) Please. Think for yourselves. These people call those of us who have stood by Karen "cult members". Called us "sheep". I do not agree. Sheep would follow what is being shoved into our faces and THESE PEOPLE have been going out of their way to try to paint Karen in a horrible light for awhile now. The sheep are the ones who cannot come to their own decisions. So, please.. I am asking you all... to look at these "facts"... and look at Karen's history... and look at the INTENTIONS behind much of what has been said or done.. and please... come to your own conclusions. Again, ask questions! It is HEALTHY and GOOD to question and not just blindly follow anyone. But, ASK the questions. Properly. Do not assume what you are hearing here is correct - it mostly honestly is NOT.
I'm glad that many many fans knows this woman and what she have done in the past. Its just up for the new fans to see it as well. I advice everyone who wants to know about her too search her name on the MJ boards and see what fans have written about her! These are fans that have been in the fan community for a long time.
No! You see? No! Why on earth are you advising people to search BOARDS to see what people have said? Should we advise people to search the internet to see what people have said about Michael? God, can you imagine how THAT would go? Do not search BOARDS, do not listen to he said she said.. MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. ASK QUESTIONS! Read Karen's Twitter! Michael taught us better than this, you guys...
The last thing. Fans have sent e-mails writing that Karma is a bitch when the pages got deleted. Yes, Karma is a bitch because you know what? I know that many people that are fed up with this woman have actually saved an copied the comments Karen have made of the Jackson family and of Grace. They are thinking of sending it to Grace and to the Jackson family. As you read this, Genevieve Jackson, Brandi Jackson, Jermaine Jackson II, Randy Jackson JR, Austin Brown have maybe received the quotes Karen have made of their family. I'm not sure if they have sent it to them yet or if they are, but I do know that they are thinking of sending the quotes. Isn't it fun for them to know what Karen have been telling thousands of fans of their grandmother and their uncle? LOL. And maybe Grace have received the quotes Karen have made of her.
Okay. Whatever. I'm sure that Genevieve, Brandi, Jermaine II, Randy Jr and Austin are really concerned about Karen's Facebook page. That's just.. okay. Y'all have fun. I do not think the family needs to hear from fans what Karen's been saying. Karen KNOWS the family and the family knows Karen. And despite what you may have heard, Karen and the family (NOT just Randy.) are still in touch.
So, Karen Fake should stop running her mouth because Karma just bite her ass again!
Sigh. See above. Please, people. Please... educate yourselves.. and come to your OWN conclusions. Ask questions. Stop believing these things as fact. Just open your eyes and open your mind. Do what Michael taught us and "do not judge someone without talking to them one on one". Do what Michael said and "before you judge, try hard to love". Try to see things from another point of view. Just... try. Please. Also, please see how these people who claim to be acting "for Michael" are speaking to and about Karen and other fans who support Karen. It's all for LOVE, right? Sigh.
Part 3 where we discuss Blog #2 will be up soon.
Karen Faye Kissinger
“running into all the MJJ tour alumni...and meeting all the newbies too. London is going to be AMAZING!!!! THIS IS IT!!!!!!”
“Karen Faye Kissinger
Michael was amazing today… He sends his love and appreciation to all of you. THIS IS IT”
Oh, geez. Okay, we're really gonna go here. Guys... you have to try to understand this one a little better. First of all, I believe that there were some good moments and some bad moments during the rehearsal process. And it is entirely possible that Michael WAS amazing. The issue has never been whether Michael was amazing or not. Furthermore, what was she going to post? "Oh, I don't think he can do this"? You guys cannot possibly seriously be judging her for what she posted on her Facebook during rehearsals.. can you??? Come ON. People. THINK.
She claims that Michael was forced to do the tours because he was financial but this is her first post on facebook after Michael Jackson passed.
“Karen Faye Kissinger
I know how painful it is to loose this beautiful man....I can barely speak, but I must share with you his reason for getting on stage once again. It wasn't for money or to relaunch his career...it was to send the message that we must HEAL THE WORLD, before it's too late. He wanted to let us know that we have a four year window to get it right, to start walking the highest path, or we will loose the earth.”
“Karen Faye Kissinger
I want you to know he was full of love for all of you. He was looking forward to making everyone smile, and unite in these difficult times...to make the world a better place.”
“Karen Faye Kissinger
he was working so hard...and he was so happy when I left him on Wednesday night...this is so difficult”
Okay, a new low. Now we are going to analyze her words from days after Michael died. I can play this game. Fine. Um... first of all, I do believe that Michael DID want to tell everyone to heal the world. He DID believe in that four years thing as we all HEARD HIM SAY in TII. None of that is wrong. Also, nobody EVER said that Michael didn't want to do a single show and did not want to reach out to the fans. Not ONCE was that said. But, ten shows are different from 50, right? And an idea of wanting to be able to reach out to the fans is different than being able to handle doing 50 shows in reality, right? Do you see where I am going with this?
Now, what would you have wanted her to say days after he died when she was grieving? You know how we all felt? Imagine how she felt. I don't even remember that first week other than just being in complete shock. I don't remember what I said to who. Imagine HER pain. In the midst of all that.. when the fans were already grieving so intensely.. when Karen was grieving so intensely.. should she have been discussing all of that? THAT week? Or do you think that maybe this was her way of reaching out to grieving fans and perhaps trying to connect with them herself?
I can't remember the last time I saw someone get judged and criticized so harshly. Give me a break. She did the right thing saying what she said when she said it. It was not up to her to be running around telling everyone everything in May and June and it was certainly not the time to share all of her thoughts the WEEK Michael passed. This is unreal to me.
Now, who's bad? Some fans that have been around Michael for a long time reached out to her because they were concerned about his health. She on the other hand asks them to be quite about it for his sake. She silenced the fans because deep inside she thought MJ would be able to do this. Karen has confessed on her facebook already that MJ rocked and were great on his last rehearsals. It is the same rehearsals we have seen in the movie, and it is during the same time period the fans reached out to her, but she shut them down. Maybe Karen also thought MJ would do this because this is MJ for god sake. That is why she needs to stop blaming KO and RP, what if they all also thought that MJ was gonna be able to do this? We have also seen Karin bitching about that she wasn’t credited in the movie or in the OPUS book. LOL.. She is on a mission to boycott the movie and the executors and the TII crew and then gets mad because no one acknowledged her work. And isn't Karen an enabler as well? She have talked so much about how she knew MJ was taking drugs for years, then what did she do about it? Nothing.
Ah, okay, here we go. These fans who reached out to her about her health - she responded to them, right? We all read the emails, we saw what she said (PROVING that she had concerns BEFORE he died despite what some of you seem to think.). Why did she tell them to be quiet? That is something that we cannot comment on. I would like to say again, that you have to think this one through. Think about why she might have told them to keep it quiet. Just think it through. PLEASE. THINK for yourselves, stop taking the conclusions that these people have come to as fact. If you were Karen and in that situation, what kinds of things would you have to be thinking about? What might be some reasons you would not want it spread all over the place that these things were being discussed or noticed? Please.. THINK, people.
Now, as far as "blaming others" for not noticing... I am uncomfortable going too far into this. However, I would like to point out that as Karen has said publicly, she did everything within her power. Perhaps.... not everyone else did everything within their power. Perhaps that is the problem. I just wish people could listen to what she is saying... really listen... and try to understand. Stop reading blogs and assuming that they are fact. open your mind.. and think about why she may have acted the way she did at that time and why she may have some anger towards some people. And with all THAT aside, let us also remember that not a single one of us were there at rehearsals. Not a single one of us knows what went down in that place. KAREN does. And I would like you all to consider once again... what on Earth she has to gain by "making this up"? Do you think she's making herself any friends in the industry right now? I mean, really.. really.
And what is this crap about her saying she wasn't credited in the movie? She was credited in the movie. She knows that.
As for the Opus.. you guys are weird. You're bringing up such strange things. She wasn't "bitching". She simply made an observation.
And she was not on a mission to BOYCOTT the movie, geez people.
And who the hell are any of you people to tell anyone that Karen did nothing? WERE YOU THERE? Do you have ANY idea what she did or didn't do, what she could and could not have done?! I mean, my god. I just do not understand who some of you people think you are. I mean, honestly, how DARE you. You have no idea. She has ENOUGH to deal with without ignorant people who were not there talking about "blood on her hands" (no, that was not in the blog, but it's been said and you all know it.) and how she did nothing and blah blah blah - you don't know. You have no idea.
The pictures from FL that she posted on your facebook and then blamed the fans when they got leaked is beyond hurtful. Karen Fake is not naive, she has been in the game for a time. She knows that fans quote her off of her site. Prior to the pictures, Karen was telling everyone to be aware because the media was lurking.. and YET she goes and publish the pictures on her facebook. She is to blame and not the fans or whoever that sold them. People who have called TMZ have been told that the original owner sold them to them. That makes you wonder. I hope the rumours are true that Katherine took her off the list from visiting MJ. I mean, it was indeed a LONG time since she visited Michael. LOL
Oh, this one is my favorite. No. She is not naive. She did know what she was doing. What she was doing, you see, was taking pictures, openly admitting to taking pictures and SHARING those pictures. I know a number of people did not like that she did that. That is fine. You do not have to like that she did that. But, a lot of OTHER people felt healed and comforted and thankful for those pictures. Karen has said publicly that Michael would want his fans to be able to see where he is. Now, you may disagree and that's fine. But at the end of the day... Karen knew Michael better than you did. I mean, unless you knew him, but I'm not so sure how many people reading this blog knew him.
Of course TMZ said that the original owner sold them. What else are they going to see? Not even getting into all this again, please see my earlier blog on TMZ if you want to know about THAT and the FL stuff.
She deletes everyone that is not agreeing with her. And she asks fans to spy on each other and then to report to her if someone is suspicious. How low can you be to actually ask the fans to do this and the fans that are doing it, they are brainwashed. MJ would never have wanted this. Karen doesn’t do anything either to stop some people from attacking other. She is encouraging it.
This again? No. She does not delete everyone that does not agree with her. That is never how it went down. I do not care how much all of the butthurt people who got deleted claim that is the case, that is NOT the case. There were a great number of disagreements that were CIVIL and POLITE on her page and no one got deleted. People got deleted if they were RUDE. If they were making accusations (questions are one thing. Mean accusations are another.) And can I just remind you all that that is KAREN'S page? She can delete whoever she wants. This wasn't a Michael Jackson fan club.. it was Karen's personal Facebook page. If she didn't like someone, if she didn't trust someone, if she ha reason to be suspicious of someone, then she is more than within her right to dedlete them.
Brainwashed? LOL. First, I don't really recall Karen asking anyone to spy, but I don't think any of you all have any right to talk about spying anyway, half of you with your fake profiles, and your anti-Karen Facebook groups, and your posting Karen's words all over the place and calling her Karen Craye and Karen Fake and what not but then being all sweet on her page.. come on. You don't even get to talk about spying. You do NOT even get to bring it up. lol
You're right about one thing - Michael would hate this. All of this.
Also:
The great majority of the people that were on Karen's Facebook page are grown. Karen should not have to play hall monitor on her Facebook page with people who cannot handle discussions without attacking. She had 5000 people on there and she had a life to live and was not on her Facebook page every second to monitor every post. It is up to people to behave properly. It is not up to Karen to dictate how people should behave. Please. And she did not ENCOURAGE attacking, lol.
The worst thing are all the personal information she has revealed of people close to MJ. Karen told fans on her facebook that Prince have vitiligo. Karen have been telling fans that Grace has slept with Jermaine. Karen have told the fans about Joanna Thomas and MJs relationship and her sexual life.Why is she out there telling strangers about other peoples private life? She is acting like a 17 year old schoolgirl bitch. This doesn’t concern her or the fans. She is gossiping about other people in an evil-spirited way and people have been hurt. Is it fun for Joanna to know that Karen said the things about her to 5000 people? Karen Fake needs to stop with this. What has Graces or Joannas sexual life to do with "seek truth and love for MJ" as she constantly claims? Karen Fake is is acting like a 17yr old bitch when she is gossiping like that.
Yes, we have hear your opinions about Prince and vitiligo for months. But, it was all cool when La Toya did it, right? Okay.. she's family, that is true. But, if the concern is that people shouldn't know, then why is it okay for one person to say it and not another? And how do you even know it's a secret? Also... do you remember the time period that both Karen and La Toya made these comments? Do you remember what else was going on around this time?
I certainly never saw her comment on her page about Grace and Jermaine. News to me. Proof? You all have screenshots of every damn thing apparently, how come we never see them?
Blah, blah, blah Johanna. You know how supportive Karen has been of her? She actually went out of her way to try to get a mean group about her shut down. That evil evil Karen! All that she has been trying to do with regards to these kinds of things is to tell the TRUTH as opposed to all the rumors all over the place. If that makes her evil, well, then so be it, I guess.
"Karen Fake is is acting like a 17yr old bitch when she is gossiping like that."
MJ would be so proud of you... wow. Shaking my head.
Look at this person guys! If this was someone else close to MJ doing this, no one would have accepted it, but because its Karen Fake, then it is Okay I guess. Would you approve of a friend of MJ feeding Mr Friedman with information? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to reveal Prince medical condition? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to steal money from the fans? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to say his family are crazy and dysfunctional? NO! You wouldn't!
I think it is time for YOU to look at this person. Not one of the things that you have said, you have been able to prove. Not ONE. Most of them have perfectly reasonable explanations. Sometimes it is an "agree to disagree" or "opinion" situation. But, not ONCE have you been able to prove that she is doing ANYTHING that deserves even HALF of the treatment and attacks that she has been getting. People who are reading these blogs and taking them as truth, you NEED to stop. You NEED to look at this properly. You have questions? ASK THEM. I would be happy to answer you as I am sure many people would. But, please... please... see these "facts" for what they are. (Although it is also a good idea to wonder what exactly it is they "are". Why so much hate for such little things, none of which can even be proven, when there are so many other people who have done awful things that we KNOW about who are not recieving this much crap?) Please. Think for yourselves. These people call those of us who have stood by Karen "cult members". Called us "sheep". I do not agree. Sheep would follow what is being shoved into our faces and THESE PEOPLE have been going out of their way to try to paint Karen in a horrible light for awhile now. The sheep are the ones who cannot come to their own decisions. So, please.. I am asking you all... to look at these "facts"... and look at Karen's history... and look at the INTENTIONS behind much of what has been said or done.. and please... come to your own conclusions. Again, ask questions! It is HEALTHY and GOOD to question and not just blindly follow anyone. But, ASK the questions. Properly. Do not assume what you are hearing here is correct - it mostly honestly is NOT.
I'm glad that many many fans knows this woman and what she have done in the past. Its just up for the new fans to see it as well. I advice everyone who wants to know about her too search her name on the MJ boards and see what fans have written about her! These are fans that have been in the fan community for a long time.
No! You see? No! Why on earth are you advising people to search BOARDS to see what people have said? Should we advise people to search the internet to see what people have said about Michael? God, can you imagine how THAT would go? Do not search BOARDS, do not listen to he said she said.. MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. ASK QUESTIONS! Read Karen's Twitter! Michael taught us better than this, you guys...
The last thing. Fans have sent e-mails writing that Karma is a bitch when the pages got deleted. Yes, Karma is a bitch because you know what? I know that many people that are fed up with this woman have actually saved an copied the comments Karen have made of the Jackson family and of Grace. They are thinking of sending it to Grace and to the Jackson family. As you read this, Genevieve Jackson, Brandi Jackson, Jermaine Jackson II, Randy Jackson JR, Austin Brown have maybe received the quotes Karen have made of their family. I'm not sure if they have sent it to them yet or if they are, but I do know that they are thinking of sending the quotes. Isn't it fun for them to know what Karen have been telling thousands of fans of their grandmother and their uncle? LOL. And maybe Grace have received the quotes Karen have made of her.
Okay. Whatever. I'm sure that Genevieve, Brandi, Jermaine II, Randy Jr and Austin are really concerned about Karen's Facebook page. That's just.. okay. Y'all have fun. I do not think the family needs to hear from fans what Karen's been saying. Karen KNOWS the family and the family knows Karen. And despite what you may have heard, Karen and the family (NOT just Randy.) are still in touch.
So, Karen Fake should stop running her mouth because Karma just bite her ass again!
Sigh. See above. Please, people. Please... educate yourselves.. and come to your OWN conclusions. Ask questions. Stop believing these things as fact. Just open your eyes and open your mind. Do what Michael taught us and "do not judge someone without talking to them one on one". Do what Michael said and "before you judge, try hard to love". Try to see things from another point of view. Just... try. Please. Also, please see how these people who claim to be acting "for Michael" are speaking to and about Karen and other fans who support Karen. It's all for LOVE, right? Sigh.
Part 3 where we discuss Blog #2 will be up soon.
The Truth About Their "Truth", part 1.
*NOTE: It has been brought to my attention that some people might assume that I am talking about the Facebook group "Fans Against Karen Faye" with regards to this blog. I am not. That Facebook group are not the ones who are responsible for this blog. My apologies. I do reference them with regards to "the list", but only because that directly involved them. They did not write this blog. Once again.. I apologize for the confusion.
A group of people who have been making themselves known have recently published a couple of fairly slanderous blogs about Karen. I do not wish to draw attention to it, but since you all have seen it anyway, maybe it is better to do so. Maybe it is better to show you exactly what has been said and EXACTLY what is WRONG with it. So, here we go. Their words will be plain, my responses will be bold.
Allow me to make this absolutely clear - once again - these are MY thoughts. I did not sit down and have an interview with Karen about this. ANY of it. That's not what the point of this is. Alright. So. Enjoy.
This will be in a few parts.
Some people might be surprised over her actions recently, but as a longtime fan of Michael Jackson, I am not surprised at all. This is the REAL Karen. She has done this for a time now and it is sickening. Karen openly talks and insult the Jackson family, Grace, Raymone, Joanna Thomae, Zaldy, Kenny Ortega, Travis Payne, Randy Phillips, Shana and many others, but when we want to question her, she goes ballistic?
Well, let's start off by saying that I am also a "longtime fan" of Michael Jackson. Maybe not as long as some of you, but not for not trying. I was only BORN in 1984. But, as a "longtime fan" of Michael Jackson, I would like to say, what, exactly, has she done for a long time? I have NEVER heard this kind of craziness about her until recently. For years she was the woman who made Michael look amazing for Bad, In The Closet, They Don't Care About Us, etc. And was by his side when he was protesting Sony. And spoke about him SO well in "Living with Michael Jackson Take Two.". There was ONE kind of confusing incident awhile ago with a website, yes. Other than that? Never heard a bad word about her in my life until recently.
Karen did talk openly to a degree, yes. I have to say, though, in all that "open talking", I don't think she ever once went ballistic because someone wanted to question her. Hell, when people were downright ACCUSING her of things, she didn't even go ballistic. In fact, I never even saw her go ballistic in my life.
Karen goes under the name Karen FAKE on many Michael Jackson boards. Her name is banned there and many fans and owners of MJ boards don't like this woman at all. Go and be a member of the boards and search for her name and you will see what fans have to say about her, not so nice stories let me tell you! And these are fans who have been in the fan-community for a long long time and have met with her. The own er of the biggest fan board lashed out against her recently for her actions. Owners of other boards have also shared their not so pleasant meetings with her. In may 2009 we found out that Karen was back to work with MJ and she had created a facebook site. From May to June 25th, Karen nearly had 100 friends on her FB. Fans on the boards couldn't give a rats ass that she was back and no one was sending her friend requests. Look at the number now, she got 5000 friends . Doesn't this say a lot? The ones who added her after MJ died have no idea what this woman has done before. They are clueless and they are “new fans”.
Karen Fake? Well. That's mature. I'm sure Michael would be so proud of all these names. The man who went through his own personal name-calling hell. Good job fans, for doing the same thing to someone else now. I don't care if you don't like her, as a fan of Michael's who got to see how he felt about that name they gave him.. we shouldn't be calling ANYONE names like that.
Okay, blah blah, people on forums don't like her. I mean, okay. That could have something to do with all the misquotes and stuff going on, I mean, hell if all I knew about her was things that I heard on other forums, I wouldn't really like her either! If I didn't know that what I was reading was, for the most part, twisted, exaggerate or completely made up!
That is a very strange thing to say. She only had 100 friends and then she had 5000 so that says... what? I can tell you that I didn't have her as a friend earlier because it would never have occurred to me to even think to myself "oh, I wonder if Karen Faye has a Facebook." (I mean, no offense Karen if you happen to be reading this.) ;) That doesn't mean I'm a new fan.. that is totally illogical. Besides, most of the people talking crap about her were on her FB page... unless they are clueless new fans too.. so, um.. next.
Here is just one of endless stories of her shared by a longtime fan.
“Personally I hope Karen isn't hired by Michael ever again. I never knew her personally but I know someone who did and lets put it this way in front of the camera she would speak nicely, behind it was a totally different story. Some fans may think otherwise and everything but also the way she treated some fans was just plain wrong. I remember X off of MJJF and how she got treated and spoken too and for someone to do that, I don't understand how anyone would want to hire her, least of all Michael.”
Let's start by noticing the "I never knew her personally". Let's then move on to the whole behind the caemras, blah blah blah. The worst fan story I have EVER heard about Karen Faye is that she was talking to a group of fans and this one girl kept trying to get her attention and Karen wasn't hearing her and then when she finally did she had to leave after a minute. Or something like that. I mean, that's the worst story I hear up until all you people started talking. So, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to get at here.. now she was rude to fans??? I don't think so.
Now, lets discuss the real Karen Fake.
Again with the Karen Fake. CLASSY!
1) Karen Fake, Randy Jackson, Taunya Zilkie (girlfriend of Randy Jackson at that time) were managing Michael's official site MJJSOURCE during the trial. These three people ended up scamming the fans. They charged 49,00USD and 89,00USD for a package of some goods. Myself and many other never received any package, nor did we get a refund. Neither did we get an apology. The fans told Michael about this and he immediately shut down the page and fired Karen Fake. Then Karen Fake blamed him for the mess. This is the post Karen Fake wrote about the incident with the site: “I understand all the anger with the fans, but we have done everything in our power to live up to all the promises Michael has made. If he does not fulfill his promises…there is nothing we can do. We were Michael’s voice, but if he doesn’t wish to speak or pay the bills for MJJsource, there is nothing we can do.”
Exactly what promises could MJ have made when he was fighting for his life? Epic fail ms Fake. Not to mention, they did not only scam the fans, but they were doing this when MJ was fighting for his life. Disgusting.
Oh, good. MJJSource. We can't have a good ol' fashioned Karen-bashing fest without that gem! Okay. Here's the thing. First of all, WERE YOU THERE? I mean, were you there? Not ON the website, actually THERE? No? Okay then. Now, as far as I understand it, yes. There were some issues that happened with that site and some fans got screwed over. And that sucks. But, you know what, at the end of the day, if the site wasn't being funded, it wasn't being funded. Karen Faye was not meant to pay for the site on her own and then one day stopped paying, right? Do you believe that if someone ordered something off of the website that the money hopped right into Karen's pocket? And that her and Randy (and Taunya? That's the first I've heard of her being involved... that's interesting to me, not because I know one way or another if she was involved or not, but because that just goes to show you how many versions of this story is out there.). Anyway, are you actually trying to imply that they set up this whole plan to steal $60 from fans with no intentions of living up to what they said they would live up to? Give me a break. The site was shut down and it sucks that people gt screwed over and I'm sorry but if you are really going to take what happened and translate that into "OMG KAREN FAYE STOLE ALL OUR MONEY BECAUSE SHE IS EVIL".. and then take it even further to say "AND SO MICHAEL FIRED HER".... uh.... really guys? Really? Think it through. You are willing to make bold statements like that when you were not THERE? When you do not KNOW what happened and why? You are that willing to take someone who theoretically did nothing wrong and talk about this story over and over an over again when you don't know. That speaks of YOUR character. Not hers. People who are on the fence should not give this story too much weight - as I said - there is no evidence of any of this. Karen did not need to steal money from fans nor would she and you all have no idea why the site had to close and why things didn't happen. I get that when crap happens, you want to blame someone but... you can't. You weren't there. You don't know. And I have to say, I have not heard so much anger about something that happened five years ago until recently which makes me believe this is less about that situation anyway and more about things you may not like that she is saying or doing NOW. But, that is just my guess/opinion.
As for her statement up there, I never saw it so I don't even know if it is accurate. If it is, well, I don't know. I would guess that had Michael made any promises at that point, he might not be able to live up to them. He was a little bit busy. I do not think that, even if this statement is accurate, that Karen was saying "OMG THAT MICHAEL WTF". Karen loved Michael and spoke VERY highly on him ALWAYS, INCLUDING after the trial when she wrote this:
http://www.mjfriendship.de/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=58
2) Michael Jackson fired ms Fake in 2005. Me and many other fans were outside the gates of Neverland and saw her and Taunya leave the property just 15 minutes after the verdict was in. We were later told that she and Taunya was asked to leave the property. Why else leave just 15 minutes after the verdict? Karen says that she was out of contact with MJ for four years. Don't forget that Michael came back to the states in December 2006. That means that MJ had been away from the US for 18 months. He was back living in the States but never called her back. During this time, Michael did have appearances that would require a make-up and hairstylist. He appeared on the VMAs 2006 in London, he invited a crew from Access Hollywood to Ireland in 2006, he went to James Browns funeral in 2006, he went to Japan for the the fan appreciation party in 2007, he were promoting Thriller25 and did a photo shoot for L'UOMO Vogue and Ebony magazine in 2007. Karen Fake did NOT work on any of these projects, because she was not called back. Period.
Out of Karen's own mouth on Twitter: "Michael NEVER fired me". So, we have that. Now, what do YOU have to prove YOUR point? True, those are just her words. True, she could be lying. But, if she says MICHAEL never fired her, then how are arguing? What are you going with? The fact that she didn't go with him to Bahrain? I mean... he went away... with his kids. And Grace, I guess. And whatever security he needed. He did not need an entourage. He was not going to be making a whole lot of public appearances there, so I imagine that he did not feel it was logical to bring his make up artist there with him. Karen did have her own life to live, including a child, let's remember that too. Let's also remember that Michael didn't bring a LOT of people with him. So, why on EARTH are we sitting here talking about Karen being fired? What?! What proof do you have of this? Where did you even HEAR this? Michael did not take ANYONE to Bahrain with him that he did not need with him (ie, yes, he took his children's nanny. Because, you know, he took his children.).
As for the 15 minutes thing... dunno. Definitely never heard that one before. I don't think Karen was even AT Neverland yet when the verdict was read, so I'm not sure exactly how that would have worked. Again, how do you know? And I enjoyed your "why else leave after 15 minutes?". That's just another way of saying "I dunno. I'm just guessing." So, yeah.
And she definitely did not say they were out of contact for that many years...
Then, yes. He came back at the end of 06 and in 07 and 08 did a few things here and there and I guess you're right. Karen did not do his hair or makeup for those few things. Oh, my. That must mean there was a deep deep hatred between them. For goodness sake, people. Who the hell knows why she didn't do his makeup during that time? Perhaps he already had someone lined up and that was just easier. Perhaps she was not really being employed by him anymore (BECAUSE HE LEFT THE COUNTRY) and was doing other things. There are a NUMBER of "perhaps". But, let's go with what you're saying for a sec, even though I think that's really reaching - umm... if he didn't call her 'cause he didn't like her or was mad at her or whatever it is you are saying... may I ask why she was back for TII? (Yes, I've heard. AEG hired her. We'll get to THAT later.). May I ask what that would even prove about anything to do with anything even if he HAD been mad at her? Have you ever been mad at anyone in your life who is still a good person? I mean, like, you all are taking all of these random events and putting them together and filling in the blanks yourselves and guessing what happened and making these conclusions on your own. Do you all not see that? This is speculation at its BEST. There is not only not a single bit of proof about what they are saying, but they are filling in the blanks THEMSELVES. And why are we all of a sudden having fits about something from 2005 anyway? You can talk all you want about how it's not new, but like I said, I haven't heard any kin of "hatred" about Karen until last year so... yeah. Do with that what you will. (Think about it though.) Period.
1) How come Karen can post personal information about Michael and everyone seems to be okay with it? Karen was posting under the name Turkle on MJJF before. Her posts was mainly about Michael and she was sharing personal information about him. She sold him out in life, and now in death. Classy woman! Ms Fake have been obsessed with MJ. She would reveal how she used to sit in MJ's lap while doing his make-up and she told us that she unfortunately hadn't kissed him or seen him naked. This is not a professional behaviour. She slams Grace for “leaving her husband to take care of someone else's kids”. Karen seems to forget that when she just got married, she left her husband for several months to go and work with MJ on the tour. Karen dislikes every woman that have in some way been connected to Michael Jackson. Doesn't this tell you something? She is a jealous woman, an obsessed woman! Karen Fake doesn't know every detail of MJ's personal life. She doesn't realize that every time she claims MJ was not involved with the named women, she is really feeding the rumours that he was gay.
Here's a good question. How come Karen can post personal information about him and everyone seems to be okay with it? Well, first of all, obviously not everyone is okay with it, look at you all. So, what are you talking about? Second of all, what personal information are you even referring to? Seriously... I mean SERIOUSLY.. with the exception of a few cute stories here and there, what have you heard from her that you didn't already hear somewhere else? For the most part, she answered questions. If she's being asked something, obviously someone has HEAR the story before and wants it cleared up. It's not like she posted a status going "OMG SO LIKE LAST APRIL MICHAEL TOTALLY WAS DOING THIS AND THAT AND...".. anyway. Now, let me be clear, I am not saying that she did not share things about him - absolutely she did. Did she share too much? That is a matter of one's own opinion which everyone is certainly entitled to have. But, I think it is also important to look at it carefully and to look at the INTENT. Is she sharing information because she wants to get all his personal business out there? I don't think so.. she could do that much better in an interview or something (and those of you saying she couldn't get anyone to interview her, please. First of all, bs and you know it. Second of all, you JUST CLAIMED she talked to the Sun. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouths!) ;). Is it because she is writing a tell all? Well, I doubt it, 'cause first of all she isn't, and second of all, if she was, she'd be kinda weird to give all the details before the book was published... I mean, just think about the intent. Think about who she is talking to and what she is saying and why. Just THINK.
Now, let's also turn it around for a second - how come if Karen says something it's betrayel to the highest degree and we all hate her... but if three bodyguards go on TV and talk about weed, throwing cell phones out of windows and not being able to afford to attend a birthday party... how come THAT we are seemingly okay with? I don't see any hate groups about those body guards! Anyone wanna get on that??? Or should we continue to praise them because they said MJ liked women? That's not new information - we already knew this - LOTS of others have said this publicly. And, also, aren't these bodyguards writing a book?? Isn't that a big no-no around here? Help.. I'm confused. Is anyone else?!
I don't know about that business about her saying unfortunately she hasn't seen him naked or kissed him. Uh.. I mean, that doesn't sound like Karen to me. So, again... any proof? Even if she did do that, it hardly would make her evil. But, I don't think she did it.
Careful. I don't think she slammed Grace for that reason. In fact, I think I remember someone ELSE saying that...
She certainly does not dislike every woman that was involved in MJ's life. That's just stupidity and I'm not even going to dignify it with a list of all the women she has said positive things about. You know you're wrong on that one. She is FRIENDS with at least one of the main "women in his life".
Of course she doesn't know every detail of his personal life. Nor did she claim to! Next?
Oh, okay, wait, what? Really? Because she made it clear that he didn't have a relationship with "x" or "y", she's FEEDING the rumors that he was GAY? You see... this is exactly how you people think. You make your own strange conclusions that's for sure. Should she instead say that he did have relationships with women he didn't? What about when she talks about how much he loved Lisa? Is that also feeding those rumors? I mean, really, people, what ARE you talking about?
1) Karen Fake and Joe Jackson got into a heated argument during the trial. Joe Jackson found out that Karen was running her mouth about him on the boards and he called her out. That is right, Karen was not only talking about Michael at that time, she were talking about his family as well. Karen never learns, she knows the fans cares for the family much more than her and if she says something to the fans, you bet the fans will tell the family. Do you see the pattern guys? Karen have done this, giving away information about the family and MJ, to the fans for a long time now.
LOL. Sorry, but LOL. I have no idea if that's true or not, but even if it is.. LOL. How would Joe know if Karen was "running her mouth on the boards" and was Joe really concerned with what Karen Faye was supposedly saying during the trial? Again... those of you who say Joe "bitched her out"... it makes me LOL. Because half the time Joe is ~evil~ but when it works, he's the hero. I don't know if her and Joe had an argument or not. I don't really care either. I don't think it proves anything. If someone told Joe that Karen was giving away information and he got mad.. okay. That is nothing more than you guys telling me that she gave out information. Doesn't mean it's true. And even if it is true.. oh well. Joe got mad. I guess we can all hate Karen now. (WTF?) Anyone witness this argument first hand? Did he yell at her in the middle of the street or something? Anyone?
She has said and described the Jackson family as crazy and dysfunctional.
She told that Joe Jackson is an angel compared to Katherine now and that Katherine have gone all crazy. Such a nice friend to speak like that off your friend and clients family, right? Puh-lease!
Um.... yeah, I'm gonna go with 'no' on that one. You guys HAVE to either get better spies or.. I don't know. Learn how to read. Stop taking things out of context (or in some cases just totally making them up.) and putting them out there like this. Do you not see what you are doing?? Or, better question.. WHY are you doing it?
We have always been taught to believe and stick to the facts. The autopsy that were released stated MJs weight as 136p and no pain-killers were found in MJs system. What is Karen going to do now? She have been running her mouth claiming Michael was on drugs. These facts proves it wrong. We stick to the facts during the trial and should do it now as well. Michael Jackson was the one who taught us not to speculate, but to stick to the facts. These facts proves her wrong and we should end all speculation.
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE AND STICK TO THE FACTS. RIGHT. With the proof. Meanwhile, you all have been talking for weeks without a single amount of your OWN proof. We keep hearing "you are going to learn the truth, it is going to come out soon!".. are you waiting for a certain holiday or something? You have something to say? Say it. People who run around talking about how one day we'll see... without actually saying anything... well... you know how that goes. Usually, they end up fading away and we never "see". Especially when they've been saying it for months.
Now, with the autopsy. To be honest, I don't want to touch that stuff. But, I will say that I do not recall Karen talking about Michael being "high on painkillers". As for the weight? I don't know what to say about that. But, I will say this. If you look at Michael in 2003 and you see how thin he was (which I am certainly not saying he wasn't thin. He was. He was almost always thin.)... his weight then was 120. Now, if you look at him during TII, can you really tell me that you believe he weighed SIXTEEN POUNDS MORE during TII than in 2003? I am not even going to post pictures, because I know I'll get accused of posting ones where he looks "extra big" in 03 and "extra small" in TII.. but look for yourself. (Also, do any of you have bootlegs of the movie from when it was in theaters? If you do, watch it.. then watch the DVD. Tell me if you see a difference in how much it looks like he weighs. Seriously.). I do not understand it myself. I do not have all of the answers, guys, I wish I did. All I can say is with or without Karen's words, I would have a hard time believing that he weighed sixteen pounds MORE in 2009 than he did in 2003. I just.. don't know. I would also like to put this out there - if Karen were, in fact, lying about the weight.. don't you think she knew she would get caught? Why would she say he weighed less than she was told? Why would she even be making any of this up at all? What does she have to gain by saying that he was too think?
Now, let me ask you again. You are talking about how you are sticking with the "facts"? WHAT FACTS? What have you proven? It's been months already and you're all still babbling on and have not proven ONE SINGLE THING. How, in your mind, is that "the facts"??? All you are DOING is speculating!
We all know that she is feeding Roger Friedman with stories. Karen Fake admitted herself (months ago on her facebook) that she recently have started to communicate with him. This is such a betrayal. He has written so many awful stories about Michael Jackson before and Karen Fake now gives him information? What a friend she is! We all know that she is the one giving him stories about Grace. We are not stupid.
Okay, what is this BS now? What are you talking about? When did Karen EVER say herself that she "recently started to communicate with RF"? Proof? Anyone? I don't know about that. I never heard her say that and I cannot imagine that being true. Karen does not talk to tabloids. If she WAS doing that (which I am fining VERY difficult to believe), then it would have ha to have been for a DAMN good reason. I simply do not believe that she would talk to a tabloid after what they did to Michael. So, again. Anyone? Proof? (PS, even if she did say "communicate", perhaps that is not the same thing as "giving information". Although, my blind faith on this one, still tells me no way. I am admitting that I cannot be sure as I did not see that comment - but I do not this that that comment even exists. Sorry. It's not like you all have proven yourselves particularly trustworthy with the "facts" and I trust Karen's history with tabloids more than your words with no proof. Call me crazy.. LOL..
She has attacked Grace, Raymone and Shana. She has accused Grace and Raymone of drugging Michael and control him. Stop belittle Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson made Raymone the general manager of MJJproductions in 2006. Michael Jackson was very much aware of his business. Karen accuses these women from keeping her away from Michael. Michael called the people he wanted to call. As a matter of fact, when he was living abroad, he invited the Lesters to celebrate Christmas with him in Bahrain, he met with Chris Tucker in Dubai, he met with Michael Lee Busch in Ireland and he called Liz Taylor, Mickey Rooney and many others often from Bahrain. Is she gonna blame them as well and say they didn't have MJS best wishes at heart? That they, Liz Taylor, Chris Tucker, the Lesters, ignored his abuse and that's why Raymone and Grace wouldn't mind him seeing or talking with them? Don't also forget that MJ went and met with Shana e year ago at her house. LOL
You all have a very interesting definition of the word "attacked". When Karen gets harassed on Twitter, no one is attacking her, right? But if she says one thing (that gets totally twisted around) then SHE is attacking people. Very strange.
I am not going to touch on what you have just said. At the end of the day, none of us know unless we were there (and even then we may not know) what was going on and why. I feel that that is something you and I and anyone should not be trying to use our own powers of reasoning to guess. We have absolutely no idea what was going on behind the scenes. Trust who you want to trust and what you want to trust and why. But I would suggest that you stop making your take on this situation as fact. Take some of what has been said (what has been ACTUALLY said, not what you've heard on various Lipstick Alley or whatever forums and think about it. Just think with an open mind. Try to understand... and btw, I am curious.. since you all seem to have his phone bills or something.. how come you are so sure that he called Liz etc from Bahrain but not Karen? Just asking. :)
She claims that AEG brought Kenny Ortega and Frank Dileo back. MJ has worked with Kenny for two world -tours . If this is the case, how don't we know that AEG also brought her back? She claims that MJ personally called her back. Kenny and Frank also claims that MJ personally called them back. So, are they lying? What do they gain on lying and why would they lie about that? Don't forget that Michael's hair-stylist Lynda Parnish (he replaced Karen with Lynda Parnish, LOL) was going to work with MJ on the tour, but all of a sudden Karen shows up.
Good point. I guess we DON'T know that AEG didn't bring her back. But, let me ask you this - if, as you say, Michael was against Karen for all of the crazy evil things (lol) that she did back in 05, then even if it WAS AEG that called her back, why wouldn't Michael have just been like "...no."? I mean you all say he was in charge of all of his business and had a say in everything, so explain that?
I do not know who asked Kenny to come back. I do not know who asked Frank to come back. I do know that of course they have things to gain by saying MJ hired them himself.. come on. So... all of a sudden Karen turned up? What are you attempting to imply with that?
I think that's enough for now. Sorry this got so long. Part two will be up shortly...
A group of people who have been making themselves known have recently published a couple of fairly slanderous blogs about Karen. I do not wish to draw attention to it, but since you all have seen it anyway, maybe it is better to do so. Maybe it is better to show you exactly what has been said and EXACTLY what is WRONG with it. So, here we go. Their words will be plain, my responses will be bold.
Allow me to make this absolutely clear - once again - these are MY thoughts. I did not sit down and have an interview with Karen about this. ANY of it. That's not what the point of this is. Alright. So. Enjoy.
This will be in a few parts.
Some people might be surprised over her actions recently, but as a longtime fan of Michael Jackson, I am not surprised at all. This is the REAL Karen. She has done this for a time now and it is sickening. Karen openly talks and insult the Jackson family, Grace, Raymone, Joanna Thomae, Zaldy, Kenny Ortega, Travis Payne, Randy Phillips, Shana and many others, but when we want to question her, she goes ballistic?
Well, let's start off by saying that I am also a "longtime fan" of Michael Jackson. Maybe not as long as some of you, but not for not trying. I was only BORN in 1984. But, as a "longtime fan" of Michael Jackson, I would like to say, what, exactly, has she done for a long time? I have NEVER heard this kind of craziness about her until recently. For years she was the woman who made Michael look amazing for Bad, In The Closet, They Don't Care About Us, etc. And was by his side when he was protesting Sony. And spoke about him SO well in "Living with Michael Jackson Take Two.". There was ONE kind of confusing incident awhile ago with a website, yes. Other than that? Never heard a bad word about her in my life until recently.
Karen did talk openly to a degree, yes. I have to say, though, in all that "open talking", I don't think she ever once went ballistic because someone wanted to question her. Hell, when people were downright ACCUSING her of things, she didn't even go ballistic. In fact, I never even saw her go ballistic in my life.
Karen goes under the name Karen FAKE on many Michael Jackson boards. Her name is banned there and many fans and owners of MJ boards don't like this woman at all. Go and be a member of the boards and search for her name and you will see what fans have to say about her, not so nice stories let me tell you! And these are fans who have been in the fan-community for a long long time and have met with her. The own er of the biggest fan board lashed out against her recently for her actions. Owners of other boards have also shared their not so pleasant meetings with her. In may 2009 we found out that Karen was back to work with MJ and she had created a facebook site. From May to June 25th, Karen nearly had 100 friends on her FB. Fans on the boards couldn't give a rats ass that she was back and no one was sending her friend requests. Look at the number now, she got 5000 friends . Doesn't this say a lot? The ones who added her after MJ died have no idea what this woman has done before. They are clueless and they are “new fans”.
Karen Fake? Well. That's mature. I'm sure Michael would be so proud of all these names. The man who went through his own personal name-calling hell. Good job fans, for doing the same thing to someone else now. I don't care if you don't like her, as a fan of Michael's who got to see how he felt about that name they gave him.. we shouldn't be calling ANYONE names like that.
Okay, blah blah, people on forums don't like her. I mean, okay. That could have something to do with all the misquotes and stuff going on, I mean, hell if all I knew about her was things that I heard on other forums, I wouldn't really like her either! If I didn't know that what I was reading was, for the most part, twisted, exaggerate or completely made up!
That is a very strange thing to say. She only had 100 friends and then she had 5000 so that says... what? I can tell you that I didn't have her as a friend earlier because it would never have occurred to me to even think to myself "oh, I wonder if Karen Faye has a Facebook." (I mean, no offense Karen if you happen to be reading this.) ;) That doesn't mean I'm a new fan.. that is totally illogical. Besides, most of the people talking crap about her were on her FB page... unless they are clueless new fans too.. so, um.. next.
Here is just one of endless stories of her shared by a longtime fan.
“Personally I hope Karen isn't hired by Michael ever again. I never knew her personally but I know someone who did and lets put it this way in front of the camera she would speak nicely, behind it was a totally different story. Some fans may think otherwise and everything but also the way she treated some fans was just plain wrong. I remember X off of MJJF and how she got treated and spoken too and for someone to do that, I don't understand how anyone would want to hire her, least of all Michael.”
Let's start by noticing the "I never knew her personally". Let's then move on to the whole behind the caemras, blah blah blah. The worst fan story I have EVER heard about Karen Faye is that she was talking to a group of fans and this one girl kept trying to get her attention and Karen wasn't hearing her and then when she finally did she had to leave after a minute. Or something like that. I mean, that's the worst story I hear up until all you people started talking. So, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to get at here.. now she was rude to fans??? I don't think so.
Now, lets discuss the real Karen Fake.
Again with the Karen Fake. CLASSY!
1) Karen Fake, Randy Jackson, Taunya Zilkie (girlfriend of Randy Jackson at that time) were managing Michael's official site MJJSOURCE during the trial. These three people ended up scamming the fans. They charged 49,00USD and 89,00USD for a package of some goods. Myself and many other never received any package, nor did we get a refund. Neither did we get an apology. The fans told Michael about this and he immediately shut down the page and fired Karen Fake. Then Karen Fake blamed him for the mess. This is the post Karen Fake wrote about the incident with the site: “I understand all the anger with the fans, but we have done everything in our power to live up to all the promises Michael has made. If he does not fulfill his promises…there is nothing we can do. We were Michael’s voice, but if he doesn’t wish to speak or pay the bills for MJJsource, there is nothing we can do.”
Exactly what promises could MJ have made when he was fighting for his life? Epic fail ms Fake. Not to mention, they did not only scam the fans, but they were doing this when MJ was fighting for his life. Disgusting.
Oh, good. MJJSource. We can't have a good ol' fashioned Karen-bashing fest without that gem! Okay. Here's the thing. First of all, WERE YOU THERE? I mean, were you there? Not ON the website, actually THERE? No? Okay then. Now, as far as I understand it, yes. There were some issues that happened with that site and some fans got screwed over. And that sucks. But, you know what, at the end of the day, if the site wasn't being funded, it wasn't being funded. Karen Faye was not meant to pay for the site on her own and then one day stopped paying, right? Do you believe that if someone ordered something off of the website that the money hopped right into Karen's pocket? And that her and Randy (and Taunya? That's the first I've heard of her being involved... that's interesting to me, not because I know one way or another if she was involved or not, but because that just goes to show you how many versions of this story is out there.). Anyway, are you actually trying to imply that they set up this whole plan to steal $60 from fans with no intentions of living up to what they said they would live up to? Give me a break. The site was shut down and it sucks that people gt screwed over and I'm sorry but if you are really going to take what happened and translate that into "OMG KAREN FAYE STOLE ALL OUR MONEY BECAUSE SHE IS EVIL".. and then take it even further to say "AND SO MICHAEL FIRED HER".... uh.... really guys? Really? Think it through. You are willing to make bold statements like that when you were not THERE? When you do not KNOW what happened and why? You are that willing to take someone who theoretically did nothing wrong and talk about this story over and over an over again when you don't know. That speaks of YOUR character. Not hers. People who are on the fence should not give this story too much weight - as I said - there is no evidence of any of this. Karen did not need to steal money from fans nor would she and you all have no idea why the site had to close and why things didn't happen. I get that when crap happens, you want to blame someone but... you can't. You weren't there. You don't know. And I have to say, I have not heard so much anger about something that happened five years ago until recently which makes me believe this is less about that situation anyway and more about things you may not like that she is saying or doing NOW. But, that is just my guess/opinion.
As for her statement up there, I never saw it so I don't even know if it is accurate. If it is, well, I don't know. I would guess that had Michael made any promises at that point, he might not be able to live up to them. He was a little bit busy. I do not think that, even if this statement is accurate, that Karen was saying "OMG THAT MICHAEL WTF". Karen loved Michael and spoke VERY highly on him ALWAYS, INCLUDING after the trial when she wrote this:
http://www.mjfriendship.de/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=58
2) Michael Jackson fired ms Fake in 2005. Me and many other fans were outside the gates of Neverland and saw her and Taunya leave the property just 15 minutes after the verdict was in. We were later told that she and Taunya was asked to leave the property. Why else leave just 15 minutes after the verdict? Karen says that she was out of contact with MJ for four years. Don't forget that Michael came back to the states in December 2006. That means that MJ had been away from the US for 18 months. He was back living in the States but never called her back. During this time, Michael did have appearances that would require a make-up and hairstylist. He appeared on the VMAs 2006 in London, he invited a crew from Access Hollywood to Ireland in 2006, he went to James Browns funeral in 2006, he went to Japan for the the fan appreciation party in 2007, he were promoting Thriller25 and did a photo shoot for L'UOMO Vogue and Ebony magazine in 2007. Karen Fake did NOT work on any of these projects, because she was not called back. Period.
Out of Karen's own mouth on Twitter: "Michael NEVER fired me". So, we have that. Now, what do YOU have to prove YOUR point? True, those are just her words. True, she could be lying. But, if she says MICHAEL never fired her, then how are arguing? What are you going with? The fact that she didn't go with him to Bahrain? I mean... he went away... with his kids. And Grace, I guess. And whatever security he needed. He did not need an entourage. He was not going to be making a whole lot of public appearances there, so I imagine that he did not feel it was logical to bring his make up artist there with him. Karen did have her own life to live, including a child, let's remember that too. Let's also remember that Michael didn't bring a LOT of people with him. So, why on EARTH are we sitting here talking about Karen being fired? What?! What proof do you have of this? Where did you even HEAR this? Michael did not take ANYONE to Bahrain with him that he did not need with him (ie, yes, he took his children's nanny. Because, you know, he took his children.).
As for the 15 minutes thing... dunno. Definitely never heard that one before. I don't think Karen was even AT Neverland yet when the verdict was read, so I'm not sure exactly how that would have worked. Again, how do you know? And I enjoyed your "why else leave after 15 minutes?". That's just another way of saying "I dunno. I'm just guessing." So, yeah.
And she definitely did not say they were out of contact for that many years...
Then, yes. He came back at the end of 06 and in 07 and 08 did a few things here and there and I guess you're right. Karen did not do his hair or makeup for those few things. Oh, my. That must mean there was a deep deep hatred between them. For goodness sake, people. Who the hell knows why she didn't do his makeup during that time? Perhaps he already had someone lined up and that was just easier. Perhaps she was not really being employed by him anymore (BECAUSE HE LEFT THE COUNTRY) and was doing other things. There are a NUMBER of "perhaps". But, let's go with what you're saying for a sec, even though I think that's really reaching - umm... if he didn't call her 'cause he didn't like her or was mad at her or whatever it is you are saying... may I ask why she was back for TII? (Yes, I've heard. AEG hired her. We'll get to THAT later.). May I ask what that would even prove about anything to do with anything even if he HAD been mad at her? Have you ever been mad at anyone in your life who is still a good person? I mean, like, you all are taking all of these random events and putting them together and filling in the blanks yourselves and guessing what happened and making these conclusions on your own. Do you all not see that? This is speculation at its BEST. There is not only not a single bit of proof about what they are saying, but they are filling in the blanks THEMSELVES. And why are we all of a sudden having fits about something from 2005 anyway? You can talk all you want about how it's not new, but like I said, I haven't heard any kin of "hatred" about Karen until last year so... yeah. Do with that what you will. (Think about it though.) Period.
1) How come Karen can post personal information about Michael and everyone seems to be okay with it? Karen was posting under the name Turkle on MJJF before. Her posts was mainly about Michael and she was sharing personal information about him. She sold him out in life, and now in death. Classy woman! Ms Fake have been obsessed with MJ. She would reveal how she used to sit in MJ's lap while doing his make-up and she told us that she unfortunately hadn't kissed him or seen him naked. This is not a professional behaviour. She slams Grace for “leaving her husband to take care of someone else's kids”. Karen seems to forget that when she just got married, she left her husband for several months to go and work with MJ on the tour. Karen dislikes every woman that have in some way been connected to Michael Jackson. Doesn't this tell you something? She is a jealous woman, an obsessed woman! Karen Fake doesn't know every detail of MJ's personal life. She doesn't realize that every time she claims MJ was not involved with the named women, she is really feeding the rumours that he was gay.
Here's a good question. How come Karen can post personal information about him and everyone seems to be okay with it? Well, first of all, obviously not everyone is okay with it, look at you all. So, what are you talking about? Second of all, what personal information are you even referring to? Seriously... I mean SERIOUSLY.. with the exception of a few cute stories here and there, what have you heard from her that you didn't already hear somewhere else? For the most part, she answered questions. If she's being asked something, obviously someone has HEAR the story before and wants it cleared up. It's not like she posted a status going "OMG SO LIKE LAST APRIL MICHAEL TOTALLY WAS DOING THIS AND THAT AND...".. anyway. Now, let me be clear, I am not saying that she did not share things about him - absolutely she did. Did she share too much? That is a matter of one's own opinion which everyone is certainly entitled to have. But, I think it is also important to look at it carefully and to look at the INTENT. Is she sharing information because she wants to get all his personal business out there? I don't think so.. she could do that much better in an interview or something (and those of you saying she couldn't get anyone to interview her, please. First of all, bs and you know it. Second of all, you JUST CLAIMED she talked to the Sun. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouths!) ;). Is it because she is writing a tell all? Well, I doubt it, 'cause first of all she isn't, and second of all, if she was, she'd be kinda weird to give all the details before the book was published... I mean, just think about the intent. Think about who she is talking to and what she is saying and why. Just THINK.
Now, let's also turn it around for a second - how come if Karen says something it's betrayel to the highest degree and we all hate her... but if three bodyguards go on TV and talk about weed, throwing cell phones out of windows and not being able to afford to attend a birthday party... how come THAT we are seemingly okay with? I don't see any hate groups about those body guards! Anyone wanna get on that??? Or should we continue to praise them because they said MJ liked women? That's not new information - we already knew this - LOTS of others have said this publicly. And, also, aren't these bodyguards writing a book?? Isn't that a big no-no around here? Help.. I'm confused. Is anyone else?!
I don't know about that business about her saying unfortunately she hasn't seen him naked or kissed him. Uh.. I mean, that doesn't sound like Karen to me. So, again... any proof? Even if she did do that, it hardly would make her evil. But, I don't think she did it.
Careful. I don't think she slammed Grace for that reason. In fact, I think I remember someone ELSE saying that...
She certainly does not dislike every woman that was involved in MJ's life. That's just stupidity and I'm not even going to dignify it with a list of all the women she has said positive things about. You know you're wrong on that one. She is FRIENDS with at least one of the main "women in his life".
Of course she doesn't know every detail of his personal life. Nor did she claim to! Next?
Oh, okay, wait, what? Really? Because she made it clear that he didn't have a relationship with "x" or "y", she's FEEDING the rumors that he was GAY? You see... this is exactly how you people think. You make your own strange conclusions that's for sure. Should she instead say that he did have relationships with women he didn't? What about when she talks about how much he loved Lisa? Is that also feeding those rumors? I mean, really, people, what ARE you talking about?
1) Karen Fake and Joe Jackson got into a heated argument during the trial. Joe Jackson found out that Karen was running her mouth about him on the boards and he called her out. That is right, Karen was not only talking about Michael at that time, she were talking about his family as well. Karen never learns, she knows the fans cares for the family much more than her and if she says something to the fans, you bet the fans will tell the family. Do you see the pattern guys? Karen have done this, giving away information about the family and MJ, to the fans for a long time now.
LOL. Sorry, but LOL. I have no idea if that's true or not, but even if it is.. LOL. How would Joe know if Karen was "running her mouth on the boards" and was Joe really concerned with what Karen Faye was supposedly saying during the trial? Again... those of you who say Joe "bitched her out"... it makes me LOL. Because half the time Joe is ~evil~ but when it works, he's the hero. I don't know if her and Joe had an argument or not. I don't really care either. I don't think it proves anything. If someone told Joe that Karen was giving away information and he got mad.. okay. That is nothing more than you guys telling me that she gave out information. Doesn't mean it's true. And even if it is true.. oh well. Joe got mad. I guess we can all hate Karen now. (WTF?) Anyone witness this argument first hand? Did he yell at her in the middle of the street or something? Anyone?
She has said and described the Jackson family as crazy and dysfunctional.
She told that Joe Jackson is an angel compared to Katherine now and that Katherine have gone all crazy. Such a nice friend to speak like that off your friend and clients family, right? Puh-lease!
Um.... yeah, I'm gonna go with 'no' on that one. You guys HAVE to either get better spies or.. I don't know. Learn how to read. Stop taking things out of context (or in some cases just totally making them up.) and putting them out there like this. Do you not see what you are doing?? Or, better question.. WHY are you doing it?
We have always been taught to believe and stick to the facts. The autopsy that were released stated MJs weight as 136p and no pain-killers were found in MJs system. What is Karen going to do now? She have been running her mouth claiming Michael was on drugs. These facts proves it wrong. We stick to the facts during the trial and should do it now as well. Michael Jackson was the one who taught us not to speculate, but to stick to the facts. These facts proves her wrong and we should end all speculation.
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE AND STICK TO THE FACTS. RIGHT. With the proof. Meanwhile, you all have been talking for weeks without a single amount of your OWN proof. We keep hearing "you are going to learn the truth, it is going to come out soon!".. are you waiting for a certain holiday or something? You have something to say? Say it. People who run around talking about how one day we'll see... without actually saying anything... well... you know how that goes. Usually, they end up fading away and we never "see". Especially when they've been saying it for months.
Now, with the autopsy. To be honest, I don't want to touch that stuff. But, I will say that I do not recall Karen talking about Michael being "high on painkillers". As for the weight? I don't know what to say about that. But, I will say this. If you look at Michael in 2003 and you see how thin he was (which I am certainly not saying he wasn't thin. He was. He was almost always thin.)... his weight then was 120. Now, if you look at him during TII, can you really tell me that you believe he weighed SIXTEEN POUNDS MORE during TII than in 2003? I am not even going to post pictures, because I know I'll get accused of posting ones where he looks "extra big" in 03 and "extra small" in TII.. but look for yourself. (Also, do any of you have bootlegs of the movie from when it was in theaters? If you do, watch it.. then watch the DVD. Tell me if you see a difference in how much it looks like he weighs. Seriously.). I do not understand it myself. I do not have all of the answers, guys, I wish I did. All I can say is with or without Karen's words, I would have a hard time believing that he weighed sixteen pounds MORE in 2009 than he did in 2003. I just.. don't know. I would also like to put this out there - if Karen were, in fact, lying about the weight.. don't you think she knew she would get caught? Why would she say he weighed less than she was told? Why would she even be making any of this up at all? What does she have to gain by saying that he was too think?
Now, let me ask you again. You are talking about how you are sticking with the "facts"? WHAT FACTS? What have you proven? It's been months already and you're all still babbling on and have not proven ONE SINGLE THING. How, in your mind, is that "the facts"??? All you are DOING is speculating!
We all know that she is feeding Roger Friedman with stories. Karen Fake admitted herself (months ago on her facebook) that she recently have started to communicate with him. This is such a betrayal. He has written so many awful stories about Michael Jackson before and Karen Fake now gives him information? What a friend she is! We all know that she is the one giving him stories about Grace. We are not stupid.
Okay, what is this BS now? What are you talking about? When did Karen EVER say herself that she "recently started to communicate with RF"? Proof? Anyone? I don't know about that. I never heard her say that and I cannot imagine that being true. Karen does not talk to tabloids. If she WAS doing that (which I am fining VERY difficult to believe), then it would have ha to have been for a DAMN good reason. I simply do not believe that she would talk to a tabloid after what they did to Michael. So, again. Anyone? Proof? (PS, even if she did say "communicate", perhaps that is not the same thing as "giving information". Although, my blind faith on this one, still tells me no way. I am admitting that I cannot be sure as I did not see that comment - but I do not this that that comment even exists. Sorry. It's not like you all have proven yourselves particularly trustworthy with the "facts" and I trust Karen's history with tabloids more than your words with no proof. Call me crazy.. LOL..
She has attacked Grace, Raymone and Shana. She has accused Grace and Raymone of drugging Michael and control him. Stop belittle Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson made Raymone the general manager of MJJproductions in 2006. Michael Jackson was very much aware of his business. Karen accuses these women from keeping her away from Michael. Michael called the people he wanted to call. As a matter of fact, when he was living abroad, he invited the Lesters to celebrate Christmas with him in Bahrain, he met with Chris Tucker in Dubai, he met with Michael Lee Busch in Ireland and he called Liz Taylor, Mickey Rooney and many others often from Bahrain. Is she gonna blame them as well and say they didn't have MJS best wishes at heart? That they, Liz Taylor, Chris Tucker, the Lesters, ignored his abuse and that's why Raymone and Grace wouldn't mind him seeing or talking with them? Don't also forget that MJ went and met with Shana e year ago at her house. LOL
You all have a very interesting definition of the word "attacked". When Karen gets harassed on Twitter, no one is attacking her, right? But if she says one thing (that gets totally twisted around) then SHE is attacking people. Very strange.
I am not going to touch on what you have just said. At the end of the day, none of us know unless we were there (and even then we may not know) what was going on and why. I feel that that is something you and I and anyone should not be trying to use our own powers of reasoning to guess. We have absolutely no idea what was going on behind the scenes. Trust who you want to trust and what you want to trust and why. But I would suggest that you stop making your take on this situation as fact. Take some of what has been said (what has been ACTUALLY said, not what you've heard on various Lipstick Alley or whatever forums and think about it. Just think with an open mind. Try to understand... and btw, I am curious.. since you all seem to have his phone bills or something.. how come you are so sure that he called Liz etc from Bahrain but not Karen? Just asking. :)
She claims that AEG brought Kenny Ortega and Frank Dileo back. MJ has worked with Kenny for two world -tours . If this is the case, how don't we know that AEG also brought her back? She claims that MJ personally called her back. Kenny and Frank also claims that MJ personally called them back. So, are they lying? What do they gain on lying and why would they lie about that? Don't forget that Michael's hair-stylist Lynda Parnish (he replaced Karen with Lynda Parnish, LOL) was going to work with MJ on the tour, but all of a sudden Karen shows up.
Good point. I guess we DON'T know that AEG didn't bring her back. But, let me ask you this - if, as you say, Michael was against Karen for all of the crazy evil things (lol) that she did back in 05, then even if it WAS AEG that called her back, why wouldn't Michael have just been like "...no."? I mean you all say he was in charge of all of his business and had a say in everything, so explain that?
I do not know who asked Kenny to come back. I do not know who asked Frank to come back. I do know that of course they have things to gain by saying MJ hired them himself.. come on. So... all of a sudden Karen turned up? What are you attempting to imply with that?
I think that's enough for now. Sorry this got so long. Part two will be up shortly...
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
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