tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post5593003958316836899..comments2023-05-19T03:35:00.753-07:00Comments on It Ain't Too Much For Me: The Truth About Their Truth, part 2.MJJBlog2009http://www.blogger.com/profile/13932739207124021602noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-84318835687625891682010-03-21T22:46:18.774-07:002010-03-21T22:46:18.774-07:00At anonymous up there...it's good to hear from...At anonymous up there...it's good to hear from someone that was actually there June 13, BUT...what does her being asked to leave mean? There could be multiple reasons, who knows.<br /><br />She said something not-so-nice about Joe? I wonder how big of a percentage of the MJ fanbase have said something not-so-nice about Joe, hm...even Debbie Rowe - she was afraid of fans because of hate mail she was getting! Look at all the love she's gotten after her FL visit. Why did it have to take that for people to think "oh, maybe I was wrong in assuming she used Michael for money" or whatever?<br /><br />Not that I'm trying to excuse Karen from what she said, *IF* she said that...just saying, she is human and she was just expressing her opinion at the time, I guess.<br /><br />But anyway LOL, I'm just trying to say that just because you hear a little something, doesn't mean you can know the full story or circumstances surrounding it. You know? I hope you realize that. :) More people should.<br /><br />♥Jess.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15201900710219316292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-81115617802650771912010-03-21T22:40:24.159-07:002010-03-21T22:40:24.159-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jess.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15201900710219316292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-14708593176125660902010-03-21T20:50:10.389-07:002010-03-21T20:50:10.389-07:002. While I appreciate your writing a more balanced...2. While I appreciate your writing a more balanced and not-hateful comment than others (which I do.), it's important to point out that you are still anonymous. You obviously do not want anyone to know who you are - which is fine - but does not go a long way in providing any kind of proof of anything. In theory, you could be anyone (though that's true even if you had a blog name, lol.). I am not saying that you are lying, but it is still all speculation for others reading this blog at this point (mainly referring to the June 13th thing here.)MJJBlog2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/13932739207124021602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-49224891797696720722010-03-21T20:47:15.341-07:002010-03-21T20:47:15.341-07:00A couple of other things that just occurred to me:...A couple of other things that just occurred to me:<br /><br />1. The posts on boards are not really proof when you think about it, because are there not two sides to every story? My guess is no one asked for Karen's side while discussing her on boards. So, yeah, that might prove that some people had issues a few years back, but we already know this, thank you MJJSource. It does not, however, prove that their stories are not biased or one sided...MJJBlog2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/13932739207124021602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-47409736058839911462010-03-21T20:14:28.775-07:002010-03-21T20:14:28.775-07:00You know what... awhile ago, I will freely admit, ...You know what... awhile ago, I will freely admit, my opinion of LMP wasn't fabulous. Then, I went through a breakup. And that wasn't even a marriage.. just a relationship that went on for far longer than it should have - LOL. I can freely say that I said some things that weren't the nicest in the world. Yeah - LMP said some things I really wish she hadn't - but you know what... we don't know what she knows. She was probably very hurt and angry - whether justified or not - and she said things that we all wish she hadn't. That does not make her evil. I think that she loved Michael - I think that she was angry - and I think that that blog she wrote after Michael died was very genuine. I have a very hard time judging someone like that when I haven't the faintest idea of everything that went on between them. You know?<br /><br />As I've said, the issue here is not if I agree with everything she's ever done. The issue is defending her from SLANDER and HATRED that she is getting.<br /><br />I've never claimed that the MJJSource incident didn't happen. We all know it did. The quesiton is WHY. Some people seem to think that it was all an evil ploy of Karen and Randy and Taunya to steal money from fans. I think that's ridiculous. <br /><br />LOL. I like how you ended that. I recognize that you are not full of hatred and my issue is not with people like you might not have the best opinions in the world of Karen. I do not need everyone to like her - SHE does not need everyone to like her. It's not about that. It's about having simple respect and common decency and not attacking someone and being ridiculous. Is that too much to ask for? And, again, for the most part, the things that might be searchable on boards are not the issue. I don't really care if some people thought Karen acted mean to them - I actually don't even care if Karen WAS mean to someone. (Again, I don't know any of these stories *shrug*), because my point here is not to say that she is perfect. My point is to say stop the lies (because much of this IS lies), stop the slander, stop the hate, stop the attacking, stop the stupidity. You don't like her? DON'T like her. Nobody is losing any sleep, including Karen, I promise you that, lol. But, go'on with yo bad self and move on with your life! There is no need to harass anyone or spread crap. That is all.MJJBlog2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/13932739207124021602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-34180631568934444992010-03-21T20:14:20.747-07:002010-03-21T20:14:20.747-07:00I do not know why Karen was not hired to do the fe...I do not know why Karen was not hired to do the few things that MJ did when he came back to the states - I do not clam to know. But, there are many many MANY possibilities that go from everything from "he had someone else that was more convinient" to "she was busy" to a million other things. And, once again, even if he was mad at her at one point ,that is not what I'm trying to refute here. I'm not trying to paint her as a saint. I am trying to give her a chance. That blog has a lot of things in there that are not about whether or not she did or didn't post things on a forum. You know it goes far deeper than that.<br /><br />Yeah, well... I already replied to that in one of the blogs, about the FB and Tweets, so... yeah. But, may I ask you, what do you think she has to gain from lying about what she's been saying? Do you think this is making her popular? She has not made money off of it (We can talk about TMZ in a second, lol.), so... what would she have to gain? "Fans"? I think that's silly. Attention? She could get much more attention interviewing on TV or something, like every-damn-other person (okay not EVERY other person.) out there. She didn't. Facebook is not where someone who is craving attention would go.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Did you read my first and second blog? You may have to go back in time a bit to do so - but if you do, that gives you possible answers to that question an others.<br /><br />I am not here to defend everything Karen has ever said and done - do you not see wha the point of this is? Do I like Karen? Yes. Is she perfect and a saint? Noooo. She is a human being who does not deserve to be attacked all over the internet the way she has been. Things have gotten BEYOND the point of riiculous. She is just a person. She is a mother. Would you like to read these kinds of things about your mother all over the internet? You don't have to like her, you don't have to agree with her, but do you (not YOU specifically) have to harass her and talk about her 24/7 and just be ridiculous? No... you do not. If you do not like her, defriend her and move on. Why the stupidity?<br /><br />After Murray's court date, Karen left and went back to the hosue WITH THE FAMILY. Not just with Randy and La Toya. With the FAMILYL. I believe that has been publicly spread around enough so that I am comfortable saying it.<br /><br />If anyone has a screencap of that, I would gladly take back what I said. I haven't seen it and neither have the people I asked. People seem to scsreencap everything she says, so I'm sure it's out there somewhere. It seems totally strange to me that she would have said that... and I feel that if she DID say it, there's something more to it.MJJBlog2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/13932739207124021602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-700351282105982362010-03-21T20:13:41.964-07:002010-03-21T20:13:41.964-07:00Oh, boy. I can already tell this is gonna be one ...Oh, boy. I can already tell this is gonna be one of those things.<br /><br />No. I am not a new fan. I do not think there is anything wrong with new fans, but I am not one of them. I have NEVER said that this is the first time I am hearing of such things. It's not, for the most part. Just because I do not agree with everything, that doesn't mean that I am just learning about them.<br /><br />Okay. And are we 1000000000000% sure that Turkle = Karen? 100000%? If we are and that is something everyone knows, then my mistake. I was not, as you probably guessed, around the forums very much in 2005.. I was finishing a degree in college, going through some MAJOR peronsal issues and while I was keeping myself very up to date on the trial (I am not ashamed to admit that I neeed a Xanax the day the verdict came in - haha), I was not on the forums. As far as I had always heard it, it was speculation that Karen had posted those things. If it's not, my mistake. That still doesn't change much for me, really, those seem pretty harmless and LOL-like, but if this is a fact, then my mistake. Is it? 100%? We are sure?<br /><br />But, that's just it. Posts on a forum by someone who doesn't like Karen isn't proof. I have never said that everyone should like her - and I am not interested in whether people like her. I am sure plenty of people have things to say and that's fine - she's not perfect - she will be the first to tell you that. My issue has never been with that.<br /><br />I had never even noticed posts about her having a Facebook before. So, that's cool that a group of people didn't want to add her and didn't give a crap, but that still doesn't mean anything to me or the point I am trying to make here.<br /><br />That's not the same version of the truth that I have heard. You have to understand that there are about 5000000 versions of the "truth" out there. Do you honestly believe that Karen, Randy and Taunya were out to steal money from fans? Really? And you just said Karen made a statement, but now you are saying you were ignored...<br /><br />That's interesting. I hadn't heard that before. So... someone told Joe that Karen was saying things on forums and then Karen was asked to leave? And how do we know that MICHAEL asked Karen to leave? Maybe Joe did that? Wouldn't you think that Michael would have many other things to worry about that day? And even after the verdict was read, I would imagine that he still would have things other than Karen to concern himself with, even if he was "mad at her". So, maybe, if this is really how it went down, someone said to Joe that Karen said this or that and JOE asked Karen to leave. Possible? Once again, if that's true, it demonstrates that Karen is human, that there may have been issues, but not that she is this crazy evil lying being which is the point here that I am trying to make here.<br /><br />I don't know why Taunya was or wasn't invovled. I really do not know anything about her and I do not judge people without knowing anything about them. I have only ever heard her name in connection to Randy or Karen.MJJBlog2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/13932739207124021602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-58522872412231875892010-03-21T19:13:24.198-07:002010-03-21T19:13:24.198-07:00Part 3.
I doesnt matter if Karen traed to support ...Part 3.<br />I doesnt matter if Karen traed to support Joanna- she told 5000 people about Joannas sexlife. She has told 5000 people about Graces sexlife. These things doesnt concern any of us and why World Karen go and say tht to people she doesnt even know. Joanna was hurt and I do know she defriended Karen asap off of her FB. You cant defend Karens actions all the time Steph. Some things are off-limit, especially a young girls sexlife.<br /><br />Karen is only friends with LaToya and Randy. LMFAO! Dont let me ge into that.<br />Karen did write on her FB that she recently have started to comunicate with Roger Friedman. She wrote that and Im sure many other saw it. Karen is friend with LMP, she has made that clear- isnt that nice of her? I mean, both LMP and Roger Friedman have said nasty things about MJ in public- how loyal, right?<br /><br />I also want you to stop defending Karens actions by pointing fingers bout other people who have talked about MJ in the media. We are only dealing with Karen at the moment and nobody else. Do you honestly agree with everything she has done?<br /><br />I want you to know that I dont hate Karen- I ended up on your blog and saw that you constantly asked for proof- well, the forums are loaded with proof nd now you also are getting first-hand information from me who actuelly lost money because of MJJsource and I was there on June 13th. It is up to you to if u wanna relieve it or not- but several fans, including owners of forums cant be lying. <br /><br />I also want to reassure you that Im not part in any group. The people with the blog that started this are imo, just very retarded and oppurtunist. Many people that are envolved and wants to have a say was NOT there in 2003 and onwards and they make up their own stories. I do think that most of the so called insider information that they wrote in their blog are information that you easily can find on the boards- its been out there for years and they are trying to act smart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-84821601670383001282010-03-21T19:12:22.015-07:002010-03-21T19:12:22.015-07:00Part 2.
Yes, you can always speculate on why MJ di...Part 2.<br />Yes, you can always speculate on why MJ didnt brought Karen back to work for him. Karen had been working with MJ on EVERY apperance since she started but was not called back. She claims she was not fired, but she has not living an explanation on why she wasnt called back. <br /><br />Her facebook and tweets is a bit off. Remember how Karen have said that MJ was bad during rehearsals. But, what she first told the fans before making this claim is that MJ was great in his LAST rehearsals, he were getting better and batter. Thats those rehearsals that we see in the movie – but we all know what she thinkgs about the movie, e.g that its is edited and he was bad and so on. <br /><br />I want to ask you about the TMZ incident. I dont believe she sold the pictures—BUT the pictures do have the TMZ logo all over them- which mean that TMZ owe them now and thats why the owner CANT sue them. How on earth did TMZ end up to owe them in the first place? Everytime TMZ does something witout permission, they are getting sued.. look at Debbie Rowe.. the interview she is suing them over for belongs to her and they did not credit her. Look at all other videos they are giving links to, if they take a photo or video from X17onlie or splashnews, they are crediting them. The smoking gun IS the TMZ logo over the crypt pictures.. TMZ owes them and the original owner a.ka Karen Faye have no saying in it at all anymore. That is something to think about Steph.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-25661611608467317942010-03-21T19:12:22.016-07:002010-03-21T19:12:22.016-07:001)
I wanna start off by saying that many of the th...1)<br />I wanna start off by saying that many of the things that you debunk here have been proved. I hope I dont offend you, but this proves that all these new fans (i really dont wanna call you a new fan or any other, but if you had been in the game for a long time, then you would have know at least some things), so please dont get upset by the term new fan since its not an insult.<br /><br />Karen did post under the name TURKLE on MJJF during the trial. The statment she gve away after the whole MJJsource incident is true. Search the archives and you will see. Karen did say that she used to sit in MJs lap while doing his make-up and that she unfortunately hadnt seen him naked or kissed him. Search the archives and you will see. <br /><br />There is a reason why MANY longtime fans dont like her. Several different MJ board owners have been treated awfully bad by Karen. Other fans that have met her have shared similiar stories about their encounters with Karen. Search the forum and you will see. You are constantly asking for proof- it is OUT there, its just up to YOU if you wanna look after it. The name Karen Fake came up in 2004-2005 and its not something new. Many fans have called her that for years. The thing with she had only 100 people on her FB for several months befote MJ passed indicated that nobody gave a shitt. We –thousands of fans- know she was back and accepting friendrequests and updating her FB – but we simply didnt care. We were told she ws updating her status about rehearsals and stuff but noone cared. Remember that the boards were all going Michaelmania crazy over the concerts and we could comunícate with someone in the team- but many declined to add her.<br /><br />I was one of the people affected by the whole MJJsource incident and never recieved a calender that I ordered. Many of us just wanted an explanation to where our money went and why we never got it back. We were ignored and Michael found out about it closed down the site. This is the TRUTH Steph. I was there outside Neverland on June 13th and saw Karen and Taunya leave. Later that evening, Joe Jackson came to the gates and said MJ was tired and thanked everyone for their support. He also thanked the fans for informing him what Karen had said about him on the forums. He was the one who told the fans that Karen was asked to leave Neverland. Karen had also called Debbie Row a Money-hungry cow. Search the forum and you will see. And yes, Taunya was involved. You World ask yourself why SHE was there in first place? I can see Randy and Karen- but NOT Taunya. Was MJ even aware of that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-91924598131243578242010-03-13T07:17:49.669-08:002010-03-13T07:17:49.669-08:00Somebody that makes so many assumptions is scared ...Somebody that makes so many assumptions is scared of the truth. It is right to ask questions, proper questions, in a fair manner to the right person. That is why Karen is there for us, she is open to all genuine questions. I have been following Karen since 2002 (does that make me a "new" fan?) and I have not once come across something she said which could be taken as disrespectful or negative. Not once. She happens to be a very mature, compassionate and patient woman.<br /><br />The few negative things I've seen said ABOUT her are totally unfounded and mere speculation. It puzzles me how some of Michael's fans would not know any better than judging so quickly and getting carried away so much with rumours and gossip. Didn't Michael teach them anything? "Before you judge me, try hard to love me". Even before I left home I could understand what Michael was trying to say (and now I understand his songs more than ever). So... there's really no excuse.<br /><br />The "personal" things about Michael that Karen has shared (though I wouldn't term them as THAT personal) are things that Michael wouldn't mind us knowing anyway, and they have brought some real comfort and support to grieving fans. I wonder if Karen knows how much she has helped us. It's as if some people want this knowledge to themselves and are being two-faced about it - being on Karen's page in the capacity of a "friend" and being exposed to her updates and words - and at the same time going elsewhere and turning other people against her. We should have stopped playing that game at least 9 months ago. In Karen's own words, we (fans as a whole) have nothing more to benefit from secrets and groupie behaviour. Now can we stop this foolish game and lets all be friends with Karen for real?Sinead Woodsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4208773403322041913.post-8512031283708303292010-03-12T20:01:40.694-08:002010-03-12T20:01:40.694-08:00BRAVO. :)
Come on people...open your minds and ha...BRAVO. :)<br /><br />Come on people...open your minds and have some empathy before judging. Just try. You don't have to like what she's doing, but really now.Jess.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15201900710219316292noreply@blogger.com