Saturday, September 25, 2010

on La Toya

You know, ever since La Toya started tweeting and such more, there have been a lot of comments. A lot of old anger and feelings coming back. I've gotten LITERALLY nine DM's going "Um, La Toya? REALLY?".

It made me wonder - do people not know her story? Or do they not believe her? What's the deal?

I do not have the time right now to write a proper blog on La Toya, but I want to share some links with people to read up on in case they want to maybe understand. I have never said what she said was good or "right" and trust me, way back in the 90's, I would not have said she was my favourite person, that's for sure. But, please educate yourself on her story and what she was going through and why she said what she did and did what she did. If you don't care or don't believe her, well, okay, nobody can force anyone to believe anything. But at least, open your heart/mind. Learn.

I believe her. I think La Toya is actually an incredibly strong person who is quite an inspiration.

Okay. So, links.

1. La Toya's 20/20 Interview from 2005. Try to ignore, if you can, the obnoxious background voices. Listen to her, look into her eyes, and decide for yourself what to believe. But, at the very least, hear her.





2. Wikipedia. Not always the most reliable, check the sources and don't take every single word on there as legit, but it gives the basic background story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Toya_Jackson

3. Transcripts from La Toya's interview with Larry King:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0303/04/lkl.00.html

4. Information on La Toya's gender-based violence suit that she filed.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n9_v90/ai_18480043/

5. Look:




Who are we to sit here and insult her and judge her when Michael and her had clearly come to an understanding?

There will always be things that we do not fully understand. Situations are far more complex than just what we ourselves see. You do not have to like La Toya. But, at least educate yourselves on the story that she shares.

Sunday, September 19, 2010

quick clarification

I asked you guys to ask if you needed clarification on anything and you did..kind of. So, clarification.

In my blog posted on March 20 2010, I mentioned that I had "never seen that list of names before in my life". That blog entry was NOT referring to the same list that I copied and pasted for Karen. Please read carefully.

"So, X writes a letter, of sorts, to X's supporters. These blog writers received this letter and decide to post it in their blog - with some editing. Following this, they post a list of names which they claim is "Karen Faye's updated hit list" which she wrote and "shared with her followers" who in turn "attack the people on the list"."

Note: UPDATED hit list.

I then say:

"Now, let's move on to this "hit list" that is causing so many problems, shall we?

First thing I want to make clear:

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT LIST BEFORE IN MY LIFE.

Okay? Was that clear enough? Never. Not once. So, there goes that rumor that she posted it publicly for all of her "followers" to see and attack the people. 'Cause I didn't see it. Did you?

I do not know where that list of names came from and frankly I'm not that interested. There isn't even any proof that Karen wrote the list (and even if she did, it could be as simple as a list of the people who were blocked from her account or something.) and CERTAINLY no proof that she posted it anywhere. (Because she didn't.).

As for the "this is an updated list" comment... that doesn't make much sense to me either. If it's a new and updated "people that wronged me" list that Karen created.. why are half the people that were on the original "list" (which I will get to in a second) not on there? Hm.

These "hit list" accusations are getting ridiculous now. There is not and has never been a HIT LIST. I understand some people do not like that Karen posted that original list on her FB page. That is neither here nor there at this point - whether you like that she posted it or not, it was not a HIT LIST. ALL she did was post a list of members of a Facebook page. Why did she post it? In my opinion, which I still stand by, she was simply calling people out. You can have a different opinion, that's fine. That still doesn't make it a hit list. So stop with that, please.

As for this "new list"... the funniest thing is... THEY, who complained about Karen posting names, have now POSTED A LIST OF NAMES. FULL names! And, again, seeing as how I for one have never seen such a list before, it was new to me. So, now they have done exactly what they accused Karen of doing when they said she made a "hit list". THEY have posted these names in public. AND they made it look like their "source" did it too - they didn't, btw. That was all the blog writers doing."

So. I clearly state that the original list of names WAS posted on Karen's page. Which it was, no one is denying that. And I said I had never seen the UPDATED list of names before, which I had not.

I never claimed to not see the original list of names. In fact, when Karen posted it, I even commented on the post clarifying that she was not insisting that people deleted those people (which she wasn't.). Karen then responded saying "thank you Steph", which people later used to try to "prove" that I wrote the list because Karen was thanking me for it. (She wasn't. She was thanking me for clarifying that point.). There are SCREENCAPS of that conversation out there. It would make no sense for me to claim I had never seen that original list of names, nor would I ever want to.

Of course I did not come out and say "Hey guys, I'm the one who gave the names to Karen!". Why would I do that? Have you SEEN the kind of abuse that people get around here? And it was even worse back then. I NEVER confirmed publicly that I gave Karen that list of names until I posted this blog today. KAREN never confirmed publicly that I gave her that list of names, even though people said she posted it on KFK (no, she did not.). The reason that people "knew" I wrote the list was that someone(s) were trusted that clearly shouldn't have been. I do not blame anyone but the person who shared it for that. Later, if other people shared it too, that's another story, but still not relevant. The point is:

I never said I did not see the original list of names. I said I hadn't seen the "updated" list. Which I hadn't.

Feel free to read the blog for yourself:
http://mjsloveismagical.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html

www.twitter.com/neverletyoupart

can a heart reveal the proof, like a mirror reveals the truth..

And here we are again.

I wasn't sure if the blog that I wrote a few days ago was going to be a one time thing or if there was going to be a need for further blogging. But, after what has gone in in the past few days, there is clearly a need for further blogging.

Let me begin by saying that I think it is really sad how many of us have to sit here and refute the nonsense that mainly comes from a small select group of people. But, for some reason, a larger group of people are listening to them and THAT is where the problem comes in. Everyone is, of course, free to listen to and believe whatever and whoever they want, but for everyones sake, I think it would be best for them to have BOTH sides of the story before they make that decision... some truth amongst the lies perhaps. So, let me take you through a few of the things that have been said lately as well as a couple of things that are months old but people continue to harp on, let's get the truth out there once and for all. I'll break it down for you all the best I can. I also ask that you read the whole blog entry before jumping to any conclusions or asking me what the point of something was.

BC's accusation against Karen

So, a few days ago, Bonnie posted another blog. The blog gave the impression that it was to be about Leonard Rowe's book. And there were, in fact, parts of the blog that discussed his book. I didn't read them. I was unable to get that far in reading the blog because the earlier parts disgusted me so much. (As it is, I haven't read Rowe's book and have no opinion on it right now anyway.).

Before discussing Rowe's book, Bonnie decided to dedicate a portion of her blog to, guess who, Karen Faye. Yes, again. In her blog, Bonnie claimed the following:


"In the fall of last year, Karen asked me to spy on Kenneth Ortega and Randy Phillips by setting up a fake facebook page. I had written her back and told her I thought fighting lies with lies was a bad idea and I had to decline, that maybe she could get someone else to do it. I never heard back from her. After that she didn’t talk to me other than to add a comment occasionally to a link that I posted to."

Hmm. Okay. Well.

Besides the fact that I KNOW that this never happened, because it has been confirmed to me BY Karen, I know that her word is not enough for some people, so let's just use logic on this one.

1. Why would Karen ask some random fan who she barely knew (if it was last Fall, how well could she have possibly known Bonnie, since Bonnie only joined Karen's page sometime after Michael died?) to spy on Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips?

2. Neither Kenny or Randy have Facebook accounts. Kenny has (had? I'm not sure, he stopped tweeting about four seconds after TII's DVD release) a PUBLIC Twitter and Randy, as far as I know, does not communicate on any level directly with fans. So, what would Bonnie opening a fake Facebokk account even accomplish?

3. Let's be real for a second. If Karen wanted to "spy" on Kenny and Randy, don't you think she would have better options than Bonnie? AND if she truly wanted to "spy" on them, again, WHY would she trust that kind of information with someone she BARELY KNEW? Karen's not an idiot, you know, in fact she's actually pretty freakin' smart and I promise you that had she had any desire to "spy" on these people, it would not be through Bonnie.

But, here's something interesting, and I asked Bonnie this myself, but she chose to ignore it...

Bonnie claimed that Karen asked her to open a fake account and she refused. Yet, she has both a Twitter account (where she has addressed Kenny at least once) and a Facebook account under, hm, FAKE NAMES. If Bonnie would like to deny that, I could go back through my FB messages and find the one where she gives me the account info, confirming it was hers. So, what's up there?

http://twitter.com/CKMJJ

She also has a fake Facebook account under the name of Chrissa Kotch. Weird for someone who says she was randomly asked by Karen Faye to create a fake Facebook but refused on the grounds of not wanting to lie, huh?

Bonnie refuses to acknowledge any of this. I left comments on Bonnie's blog the day after it was posted, all of which were immediately deleted. Another funny point considering she insults Karen and Sammy for supposedly deleting the comments of people who don't agree with them.

Bonnie's further (worse) accusation
In a comment to me, which I believe you can still see, because Bonnie deleted my comments but not her own responses, Bonnie told me that: (NOTE: Since the writing of this blog, Bonnie has hidden all comments on her blog.)

Yes, I can see where Karen has accomplished more for her cosmetic line than any justice for Michael.

Wow. Well, what cosmetics line, you may ask? The one I think she first publicly talked about, like, last week. Once. And has not mentioned since. I find it amazing that someone who knows so little can make such bold accusations. Bonnie is, to put it simply, absolutely wrong. Karen has done more for justice for Michael than Bonnie has ANY idea about, trust me on that one. Not a clue. Is she moving forward with her life? Yes, she is and good for her, because she SHOULD. Neither Karen not any other person on the planet (ahem) should spend every waking second on this. It is not healthy and it is not helpful to anyone. Karen is living her life and doing great things with her career. What is it you would have her do, Bonnie? Talk about Michael every moment of every day? Hold rallies every day? And then, if she happens to get an off moment, sit at home and update all the fans, who have been oh SO loving and supportive of her (note sarcasm) of her every move? Well......she's not gonna do that. So, if THAT is your idea of "justice for Michael", I guess Karen fails. But if your idea of justice for Michael is actual JUSTICE for Michael, then I suggest you put your pitchforks down when it comes to Karen, 'cause like I said you have no idea. And, yes. While doing MANY thing for "justice", Karen continues to live a full life with her job, her boyfriend, her family and friends and her super cute dog.

Speaking of "justice for Michael", by the way, do you think you are helping Michael when you go so far out of your way to try to discredit Karen or make her look bad? Can you think this through for a sec? Karen has always been one of the few people willing to stand up and speak the TRUTH, putting herself on the line, no matter what the risk is (FOR Michael and for truth.). Karen may very well be a potential witness in Conrad Murray's upcoming trial (I said potential.). You really wanna put one of the few people who's speaking the truth under attack?

Now, I'm not an idiot either. I know Bonnie's little internet blog is not going to make a huge difference to Karen's reputation. But, what about the media who read fan things going on because they see firsthand how ridiculous drama gets and, for some reason, care? What about those "fans" who are in communication with the media? Michael said it himself, if you hear a lie often enough, people start to believe it. So, the next time you post something about "crazy KF" or whatever it is you're calling her these days, or, Bonnie, the next time you invent a mission that Karen sent you on or post one of your slanderous blogs, perhaps you SHOULD think about the Michael that you love so much and how important it is to have Karen speaking up for him right now. Just a thought.

Karen's employment history with Michael

Bonnie also said in her blog that Karen was fired by Michael in 2005 because of an incident with a website called MJJSource. If anyone ever writes a book about all this drama, they should devote an entire chapter to MJJSource. This website is one of these peoples favourite things to talk about. MJJSource has already been explained a thousand times. It has been explained by Karen. It has been RE-explained by Karen. It was then FURTHER reexplained by myself and other people. But, people wanna keep jumping on MJJSource.

Feel free to go back and read past blogs on MJJSource if you want, I'm not getting into it again.

I will however get into a few points about Karen's supposed "multiple firings".

1. Karen has said that she was fired during the HIStory tour. Karen also explained the reason for this. It's not my place to repeat it, but if you were on her page as Bonnie was, you would know why. I WILL say that MICHAEL did not fire her. So, the statement "Michael never fired Karen" is not false.

2. 2005. After Michael's trial, Michael went off to Bahrain. Should he have taken her with him? I'm just curious. I mean, okay, first of all, Karen worked on contract. So, I would assume that when Michael left the continent, her contract was over. You cannot fire someone whose contract is over. It just doesn't work that way. There was no reason in the world Michael would need his make up artist (and, yes, friend, but friends don't always travel to the middle east with their friends, especially when one friend has just been through the ordeal of his life and perhaps wants to spend some time alone with his children recovering from the physical and emotional toll it took on him and another friend has a life back home including a CHILD....... ) There is no reason in the world he needed her to go with him. And why didn't he use her for the few appearances he made between when he came back and TII? There are a number of answers to that, but not one of them is "because he was mad at her because of the MJJSource thing". You would really have to ask Karen about her specific appearances and why she may or may not have been there, if you haven't already heard her address some of that - which she has.

So, what I'm saying is - Karen was NEVER fired by Michael. Never. Didn't happen.

Bonnie, by the way, was offered a link to an interview with Jennifer Batten in which she states very clearly that Michael NEVER fired Karen and that they remained close until the end, but she refused to bother with it. Instead, she posted links from people like Roger Friedman. So, you know. THAT happened. What does that tell you about Bonnie's non biased blogging?

The infamous hit list, hate list, enemies list.

Whoever writes that book should probably include TWO chapters on what has turned into the strangest big deal ever.

I gotta be honest with you all. I'm sick of hearing about that idiotic list of names. Every time someone wants to make Karen look bad, all they have to do is say "hit list" and people go OH YEAH! And that's that. So, let's clear something up, shall we?

There is NOTHING to that list. I know 100% why it was written, what it was used for, where it came from...you have heard, I am sure, from many people, most of whom don't like me, apparently one of whom "used to be close to me" that I am the one who wrote the list. That's almost true. For the sake of just making this STOP already, I am going to come out and tell you what is exactly true.

The original list that Karen had was, yes, given to her by me. I found the FAKF group. I told Karen about FAKF. And, yes, I COPIED AND PASTED, not wrote, the PUBLIC MEMBERS LIST and sent it to her. Yes, I know, evil evil Steph, bad minion. Think about it for a sec though. Would you not do the exact same thing for your friend? If not, I guess that's on you, but yes, I did that, I stand by it and I would do it again. And, really guys, it was a public members list. It's not like yall were hiding very well anyway.

As for her posting the list, it was absolutely not so that people would get harassed. Karen had links to everyones profiles that were in the group. She didn't post those. She simply posted names because it was enough. It was enough of fake people hanging out on her profile, twisting her words around, copying and pasting, doing what they did. It was just ENOUGH. Okay? I fail to see how people can join a group like that - a PUBLIC GROUP - and then get angry when someone tells people they joined the group, because that is pretty much all that happened.

So, yup. That's all that list was. A copied and pasted members list from a public Facebook group. I know. Serious business, right?

Now, as for any other lists, all I can say is this: Karen didn't share them and Karen didn't spread them. That's about as much as I am willing to say on that. I don't care who tells you she did, I don't care who tells you she gave all these updated lists to her minions that told us to go forth and attack (lord help me), it NEVER happened. Ask them for proof. I promise you they won't have it. Because it doesn't exist.

So, there you go. The big huge bad evil list is a copy and pasted list of names from a public Facebook group. See? Aren't we glad we spent months talking about it and somehow using it to prove what an evil evil person Karen was? (I have a feeling that now I'LL be an evil evil person, but that's okay. Like I said, I'd do it again. If someone had a group about YOUR friend, you'd probably do the same and if not, you may wanna look into that.) ;)

So. Wrong again, Bonnie. And I think you knew that one too.

On spying, harassing and blogging

Allow me to be as clear as I can possibly be on this one. As Karen's "number one minion" or "favourite slave" or whatever other brilliant names I was given, I was never ONCE asked to "spy". I was certainly never asked to harass people. And I was never asked to blog (I'll get into that in a sec).

So. For those of you who seem to think Karen controls the internet, she doesn't. If someone is harassing you and they are someone who you think is a friend of Karen, please don't go running to her and whine about her friend. It makes you look ridiculous, honestly. She has nothing to do with it and frankly much more important things to do with her life than worry about this nonsense. Deal with it like the grown person you are supposed to be and move on. She doesn't tell people to harass people. I promise.

So, why do I blog?

To be honest, it started out as a general truth thing. I was watching people twist Karen's words around, lie about her and lie to her and it was upsetting me. Seeing people believe these twisted versions of events bothered me, not because it was Karen specifically, because it was anyone. And in this case it was someone that was speaking up for Michael and seeing her words being twisted to mean the opposite was not okay - especially not by Michael's "fans".

As of NOW? Yes, now it might be a little bit more personal because Karen is my friend and I care about her but the general principle above still stands. This is not about "stop lying about my friend", this is about "stop lying about someone who has done nothing to deserve it". Someone willing to stand up for justice. Someone doing so much more than you know. And, sure, I have other things to do and it's annoying that I have to do this, but not the actual writing......what's annoying is that I HAVE to keep doing this because the bullshit never stops! Make sense?

It is easy to want to hate someone, to find someone to blame. It is easy to get angry when someone takes what you believe and tells you that that's not 100% accurate. Fans get very protective of Michael too. I understand that. But you all are just on the wrong avenue here. Again, you are certainly not helping Michael out spreading these rumors. THINK IT THROUGH. Before you believe something, before you say something, the next time....think it through.

So, why should I believe you?

It is not lost on me that I am not much better a source than Bonnie is. After all, I could, in theory, be lying to you also. But, here's the thing with that. I love Michael too. And I would not support someone who I believed for a second was hurting him. Karen is not hurting him. Karen has never been one of the people hurting him. Karen loves him, Karen cares about him and Karen stood by him then and stands by him now. There is so much PROOF out there about how people lied and twisted her words around, all you have to do is look for it. Or ask someone. If you have questions, if you want clarification, that's cool! There's a lot of crap out there and especially to those who are new to the community, I totally understand you wanting to ask questions about what's gone on and what's been said or done. You can ask me. You can ask other friends of Karen. You can ask KAREN. After all the crap she has taken, she is STILL accessible to fans via her blog and Twitter. Speak kindly to her, be respectful and you might just learn some things. And the opposite is true too - ask for proof on ONE of these things that these people are claiming, there is NOTHING.

So, that's it. Sorry, it got long again, but when there's a lot of lies, there needs to be a lot of truths, I guess.

Saturday, September 11, 2010

"It's slander.....with the words you use"

It's been awhile since I blogged.

I am exhausted. I am absolutely totally and completely EXHAUSTED. And you know what else? I am angry. And I am hurt.

Someone that I respect very much told me not too long ago that sometimes you just have to completely ignore the negativity and allow people to do what they're gonna do. She's right. But, then sometimes, it's too much and I need to speak up. Because this is more than petty insults and stupid comments. And, sure, we can dismiss it as "crazy", but that does not mean that other people are doing the same thing. And I believe that everyone should have the opportunity to hear both sides to a story before having to make a judgment. This is kind of long and I apologize for that, but if you can take the time to read, I will try my best to make my points as well as I can.

I'd like to take you guys back to a year or so ago. When we were all feeling lost. When we had all lost someone that we loved, someone that we admired, someone that though some of us had never met him, we cared for him in a way that simply can't be explained in words. Speaking for myself, it truly did feel as if I had lost someone close to me.

I am going to tell you a bit of my own story. Why am I doing this when most people probably don't care? Because we all have stories about how we got to where we are and I think that is important in what I am going to discuss.

I had not been a big member of forums before, really, because I found them a perfect place for drama, arguing and stupidity. I had paid attention to some MJ forums in the past, but I wasn't hugely active in them. A few weeks after Michael died, when I found myself surrounded by people that were, for the most part, "over it", that's when I decided to try the forums again. Don't get me wrong, I have WONDERFUL people in my life, amazing friends and family, but you cannot expect everyone to react to something in the same way. It was more difficult for me than it was for pretty much everyone I had in my life at that point. It was not the same for them.

Through a forum, I met a girl who lives in Toronto who clued me into a group of fans from Toronto. I was surprised and almost disappointed at myself having been a fan of Michael's for so long, that I did not even know that such a group existed, but I got over the initial disappointment (LOL) and reached out to these people. They were wonderful. They are still wonderful, and I am still good friends with them all.

Through these people, I learned that Karen Faye had a Facebook page. I didn't know THAT either. I DID know who Karen was. I knew her, mostly from the Take Two documentary...and yes, I had heard about MJJSource and no, I didn't believe that Karen ever stole money from fans, even back then. (I mean, I'm just saying, LOL.) I sent a friends request and was accepted pretty quickly... (I believe this was around September, however I don't remember exactly. I know some of YOU know when I joined, because I've been told before, as in, "you didn't join until ____, therefore you don't even KNOW Karen, b/c if you did you would have been on her FB before Michael died" I don't even know WHAT to do with that one, but ANYWAY). After being accepted onto Karen's page, that's when things started becoming a lot more clear to me. I made some amazing new friends, some of whom I have now met in person, talk to every day and have become some of my best friends. It was through Karen that I really learned about TINI. It was through Karen that I learned about a lot of things, actually, and let me be clear - if you were ever a part of Karen's Facebook page, you know what I am referring to. These things wil not be repeated here. You know what I am talking about.

Before joining Karen's Facebook page, let me be clear - I had my questions about Michael's death. Doubts about the timing, doubts about some other things and I definitely did one of those "excuse me, they're making a MOVIE? ALREADY?".. just all kinds of things, a lot wasn't making sense for me. But, it was not until getting on this FB page that more started making sense. I learned a lot. I learned TRUTH. And I learned it from someone who was not writing a book. Someone who was not selling her story to tabloids or the media at ALL. I learned it from someone who was ready and willing to put herself on the line in order to tell the TRUTH. To share firsthand observations with fans. To get people asking questions.

So, for a long while, that's what was happening. There was a lot of love on that page and it was a good place to go to if you were feeling down or wanted to talk to someone........and of course, to learn.

Then, as usual when the internet is involved, drama happened. The drama came in many forms...people who didn't know him at all or VERY little suddenly speaking about intimate details they made up in their vivid imaginations....random people who had suddenly jumped out of the woodwork to make their grand reappearance.....and mostly, and most sad......from fans. From the very same fans who had been a part of this page for as long as I had, many even longer, who took comfort in the words there, who learned the same truths that I did and who claimed to be his "army of love".

I am not going to get into the incidents that happened, we all know them and if you don't, consider yourself lucky. The problem is that, since then, it has NOT died down as people thought it would. It has NOT faded away. In fact, it might even be getting worse.

Do me a favour....put yourself in her shoes for a second, okay? Let's say it's YOUR friend who was murdered. You tried everything that you could to help him. But, in the end, he was still murdered. How would YOU feel? Then you have these people who didn't know him, who certainly don't know you, sitting there hiding behind their computer screens, their Twitter accounts or their blogs, telling you how you didn't do enough? How you should have done more? Excuse me?? Who ARE these people? Unless you were there, in that building, AND involved in all conversations that went on, I would like to know how in the hell you think you have ANY idea what went on? And regardless, I am not sure how you think that your saying that is not so COMPLETELY out of line and CRUEL! Or, let's say that you then spend HOURS with this friend AFTER he has passed away, helping to dress him and put makeup on him and whatever. Can you IMAGINE how heartbreaking that must have been? For me, I probably would have been traumatized. But, then here comes more people calling you a liar. Questioning you, well how long did you really spend? Well, why? Well, I don't think that's exactly right because one day you said it took 8 hours and 57 minutes and one day you said 8 hours and 57 and a half minutes so I think you're lying and part of a grand conspiracy. HELLO?! People! Feet on floor for a second, get your heads out of your asses and THINK about what you are doing! I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but how insensitive, how mean, how COLD HEARTED do people have to be?!

Now, look, she is a very strong person. She had a wonderful teacher in how to ignore ignorance and frankly she is a pretty good teacher herself on that subject! (I'm just not a very good student, I guess. OR there just comes a point where you HAVE to say something.) But, to those of you out there who are newer to this community, to those of you who have some friends that you trust that are saying this or that, maybe it's time to look at the other side, because there ARE two sides to these stories.

And now - well, now it's all just gone completely off the deep end, because NOW this very same woman who put herself on the line day after day who spoke out not only privately on her Facebook but PUBLICLY is now being accused of being "in bed" with a company that she would NEVER - NEVER - be "in bed" with. Not only that, but she has publicly spoken about that company as well! Now, normally this would be something that you could just laugh at, because how ridiculous can people get? But, what's scaring me - what's scaring me and actually upsetting me (and by the way, one of the many reasons that I did write this blog is that this is also upsetting other fans, good people who care about the truth and who care about Karen) is that SOME PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THIS!

People. PLEASE. I am begging you, before you jump on board with absolute silliness, PLEASE do some research. If the person that is blogging chooses not to research, that does not mean that you shouldn't. Karen does not have a Facebook page anymore, but she has a Twitter. Go back through her Twitter and read what she has had to say on this very subject that she is being accused of not addressing. Yeah, so, it'll take you half an hour or so, but isn't it worth that much time to learn the TRUTH?

And I know there are people reading this and going "you're just saying that because you're her friend/slave or have been brainwashed by her". Let me address that quickly: I am not her slave and I am DEFINITELY not brainwashed. She did NOT ask me to write this blog. Am I her friend? Yeah, over the past however many months, Karen has become a friend of mine, but WHY do you think that is? Because I enjoy making friends with evil people who are involved in secret conspiracies? Not so much. Because she is a GOOD and HONEST person who has taught me a lot. Not just with regards to Michael, but other things as well. She is a kind person, she's an incredibly funny person and I genuinely like her for who she is as a human being. However, this goes SO beyond that. This is not about someone being mean to my friend so I have to post a blog about it. This is about someone(s) SLANDERING a good person which is INFURIATING to me and others because what is being said could not be further from the truth.

It wouldn't hurt to keep in mind that Karen is also a potential witness for a potential upcoming trial. This isn't something new, I have blogged about it before, but do you see what I'm saying? A few people on the internet truly do not matter, but if they (whoever "they" are) could ruin Karen's credibility enough, what could that do? She's already one of the only people speaking the truth. (How do I know that? Because she has stuck to a consistent story since day one. She has ZERO motivation for lying. So much of what she said months and months ago later proved to be true. And because I trust her. If YOU don't trust her, fine. Not everyone is going to believe the same thing, but please do not make that decision until you have read her words for yourself, not read what someone else said she said because we have all seen how THAT gets twisted too).

Is this how a person gets repaid for putting herself out there and telling us all the truth? For sharing stories with us? For letting us all in, just a little? She gets paid back with abuse, insults and wild accusations? Do we not see a problem with that?

And let me tell you something else, while we're on the subject, because lately there has been a lot of "omg Karen is soooo mean". Karen is NOT mean. I am not Karen, but if I had to guess I would say perhaps Karen is a little less patient than she used to be and for good reason. So, yeah. If you tweet her some bullshit, maybe she's gonna respond with the same amount of respect that you gave her (actually, she's still usually more kind than the people who start with her to be completely honest, but anyway). So, before you jump on board THAT omg Karen is mean train, read some of the tweets she gets.

She is only human. What do people want from her? She is STILL even AFTER all the crap she gets, she is STILL taking time to share with fans. This is SUCH a positive thing, that someone in Michael's circle is willing to interact with fans NOT if they buy their book or ebookmovie or whatever that crazy thing was (just sayin'), but JUST to interact with them. And the response is to speak to her like this? To make horrible accusations with absolutely no evidence? To THREATEN her and make it sound like she is involved in some sinister evil crap? STOP LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE!

Make your OWN judgments based on your OWN experiences, do some research.

Now, I know this is already long, but I'm gonna ask for your attention for a few more minutes because I want to talk about someone else for a second too. I want to talk about Sammy.

I'm going to be totally honest, before a few weeks ago, I did not know much about Sammy. We had not talked a whole lot. I had heard every story in the book about her. I am not saying I BELIEVED them, but I'd heard them. Then I went to LA.

I first met Sammy at the courthouse. I am a fairly emotional person as a general rule, but not insane about it. But for some reason, when court was over and the Jackson family came out of the courtroom, and I saw Katherine looking exhausted and sad and I believe Rebbie was crying if I am remembering correctly...I got all teary. Sammy was with other people and I was with other people and again, while we knew who each other were, we didn't know a whole lot about each other at that point - and let me tell you, Sammy had her own drama going on at court that day. But, she still came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder and asked if I was okay. A simple gesture, but considering that this is supposed to be such a horribly scary and mean person, I dunno, that doesn't sound like a mean person to me!

Over the next week that I was in LA I spent a fair amount of time with Sammy and let me tell you something.. she is one of the warmest, kindest, funniest people that I know. I got to see Sammy for who she REALLY is, not for who random people who don't even know her say she is. Sammy was there for me when I needed a friend, she welcomed me into her group of friends with open arms and introduced me to some amazing people, she listened to me, she was just a great person to hang out with and I am so glad that we became friends. So.....let me tell you that I am not taking kindly to the abuse that SHE is getting either.

A couple things to keep in mind when it comes to Sammy:

1: Just like with Karen, I have seen firsthand people lie about Sammy. Without question, 100%, they MAKE THINGS UP. Because guess what? I was there with her at court, I stood next to her for over an hour and the things that she was accused of doing, she DID NOT DO.

2. Sammy loves Michael so much. (I say loves instead of love, because love does not die. It is not a clue for any hoaxers, okay? Sorry, but you have to be freakin' careful with those people it seems!). So much. And she would NEVER do or say anything to hurt him. So, take those rumors that you heard that Sammy said that Michael did this or said that, or Sammy does this or secretly does that, and put them exactly where they belong - out with the damn trash. I don't care who you heard it from, I don't care how sure this person thinks they are and I don't care how much you trust the person. You know that just like the people who want to say things about Karen, there is no proof about any of the things they say about Sammy. You KNOW that. The reason that there is not a single amount of proof for ANYTHING that is being said is simply because it is NOT true.

Sammy is being accused of being "in bed" with certain companies too, you know. It's total and complete crap. And her picture? Not photoshopped. Just sayin'. I don't care if someones friend took the photo (uploaded from FACEBOOK by the way) and supposedly said it was photoshopped. Is that REALLY proof guys? Should we also believe people when they say their friend told them that Michael Jackson said this or that? Put it into perspective.

I don't know what a certain bloggers motivation is if she has one. I have tried to talk to her nicely more than once and got nowhere. I do not think she is an evil person, but I believe she has become severely misguided and is leading people onto a dangerous path that will NOT have them ending up at the truth. I am not worried about what she is saying - I am worried about the people that are more new to the community or the people that read her blog in the past and thought it was good (it was!) and are now taking her word as fact. It is not fact. She, like others, has o proof and INCORRECT FACTS. You will see that yourself if you take the time to look.

And it doesn't matter how many random emails this blogger posts or how many supposed "friends" she has that told her this and that - it is ALL just words put there to make herself seem more credible. It is meaningless.

So, here's the point of this long rambling nonsense, okay? The point is that just like Michael says - you should not judge a person until you have spoken to them one on one. And I am not talking about a random tweet here or there, I am talking about an actual conversation. And, if you can't have an actual conversation with them, then take some time and read some of the things that they have said in the past. If you must judge them, judge them based on THEIR words not OTHER peoples words.

Michael spent the majority of his life having to deal with accusations, lies and people who wanted to tear him down. As supposed "fans" of his, how are we going to turn around and do that to others? To anyone, really, but especially to someone who was his friend (yes, employee, but also friend) for almost 30 years and to a fan who he knew and loved? (Yes, he loved all his fans, I know that. Karen knows that too, by the way. And so does Sammy. We ALL know that. Please do not get distracted from the point, lol.). It's not right and we all need to think before we speak. Think about what we are saying and how it might hurt somebody, think about what we are basing our judgments of somebody on and mostly, THINK before we read a blog (or whatever) and assume it to be true. WE ALL KNOW BETTER. MICHAEL taught us better.

I'm really sorry for those of you who never got to experience being a part of Karen's Facebook page because for a long while it really was a great place. And also because since it no longer exists, you cannot go back and read her words (though I'm sure they're all over the place despite her asking for them not to be, but anyway.). But there are still other ways. Read through her Twitter......read through Sammys Facebook if you are a friend on there. Learn for yourself. Stop listening to nonsense.

To those of you who don't know, who are confused, who are hurt, I understand.......I really do. It is a confusing situation for those just walking in. That's why I did this though, so that those just walking in can hear that, yes, there are some very loud voices spreading some very strong "information" (as they call it), but there are plenty of people over here going "no. That is not true.

I am turning off comments on this blog, not because I don't care about opinoins, but because this blog is meant to to give another point of view. I do not want people reading this to have to read through 50 comments arguing back and forth. I am not heading a discussion here, I am making a point. Feel free to share and discuss this wherever you'd like and if you DO want to talk to me and don't already know me, my Twitter is:

www.twitter.com/neverletyoupart.

Saturday, March 20, 2010

Here we go... again.

For those of you who know me, you know that I do not attack people. I do not strike first. Sometimes, I do not even strike back. But with our friends writing another blog full of speculation and blatant lies, I feel the need to respond.

Their new blog is, like the first two, complete speculation. This time their information claims to have come from a "source". I think anyone who has been following what has been going down in the past little while within certain circles will be able to figure out who the source is. I will not post his/her name because it is not my place, but let's call them "X".

So, X writes a letter, of sorts, to X's supporters. These blog writers received this letter and decide to post it in their blog - with some editing. Following this, they post a list of names which they claim is "Karen Faye's updated hit list" which she wrote and "shared with her followers" who in turn "attack the people on the list".

Alright.

Let's deal with the letter first.

One of the most interesting things about this letter is that it was, in fact, edited. The original letter did NOT have any names in it. It had "X", "Y" and "Z". Now I am not saying that "X" did not make it clear who they were referring to, however, there were NO NAMES in the original letter. I assume that this was for a reason.
Now, I have no idea if X wanted their letter shared on a public blog at all. That's not my concern.. that is for X to deal with. However, I have to wonder why X would write a letter with "X" "Y" and "Z" if they knew that this letter was going to be posted on a public blog with NAMES INSERTED. The blog writer claimed they were told to insert the names. I'm not so sure about that. But, again, none of my business. I just want to make it clear that these blog writers did insert the names themselves.
As far as the information in this letter goes.. well, it is no less speculation than it has been in the past. Karen herself said publicly today:
"I do not have a book, movie deal, or hit list."
So, once again, you are going to have to believe what you believe. As always, these people are unable to offer any proof of their words, simply speculation and "sources". They claim that everything was verified - well... that's what they said last time too.. and we saw how that went down.
This to me is simply another attack without anything to back it up. Now, WHY would this source post such a thing? I dunno. I think if you know who the source is you might be able to come up with a couple of possibilities, but again, as much as I would love to put it out there, it is not my place to do so. So I will just say that, again, this is pure speculation with no backup.

Personally? I think it's a load of BS. Much of it is illogical, ALL of it is speculation and none of it seems legit.

Now, let's move on to this "hit list" that is causing so many problems, shall we?

First thing I want to make clear:

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT LIST BEFORE IN MY LIFE.

Okay? Was that clear enough? Never. Not once. So, there goes that rumor that she posted it publicly for all of her "followers" to see and attack the people. 'Cause I didn't see it. Did you?

I do not know where that list of names came from and frankly I'm not that interested. There isn't even any proof that Karen wrote the list (and even if she did, it could be as simple as a list of the people who were blocked from her account or something.) and CERTAINLY no proof that she posted it anywhere. (Because she didn't.).

As for the "this is an updated list" comment... that doesn't make much sense to me either. If it's a new and updated "people that wronged me" list that Karen created.. why are half the people that were on the original "list" (which I will get to in a second) not on there? Hm.

These "hit list" accusations are getting ridiculous now. There is not and has never been a HIT LIST. I understand some people do not like that Karen posted that original list on her FB page. That is neither here nor there at this point - whether you like that she posted it or not, it was not a HIT LIST. ALL she did was post a list of members of a Facebook page. Why did she post it? In my opinion, which I still stand by, she was simply calling people out. You can have a different opinion, that's fine. That still doesn't make it a hit list. So stop with that, please.

As for this "new list"... the funniest thing is... THEY, who complained about Karen posting names, have now POSTED A LIST OF NAMES. FULL names! And, again, seeing as how I for one have never seen such a list before, it was new to me. So, now they have done exactly what they accused Karen of doing when they said she made a "hit list". THEY have posted these names in public. AND they made it look like their "source" did it too - they didn't, btw. That was all the blog writers doing.

So, my question is... since Karen was blamed for anything that happened to anyone on that "list" she originally posted... does that mean that now.. if anyone attacks the people on this new list that THEY posted.. that it is now THEIR fault?

Hmmm...

Think it through.. keep your heart and mind open... and stop the speculation and the lies

Till next time...

Friday, March 19, 2010

"There's Nothing That Can't Be Done If We Raise Our Voice As One"

Totally random, I know. But take a second to read this please.

I am asking all of you - whether we agree on things or not - to please check this link out. Please spread it around. It will take about a minute of your time to get involved by sending an email.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Uncover-Michael-Jacksons-Name-The-Gardner-St-School-Issue-Campaign/339260689115

Friday, March 12, 2010

The Truth About Their Truth, part 3.

If it wasn't enough that they already had that first blog, they decided they had to write another one. Why? I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine. As I have said before, I find the level of hate to be... a little strange at best. It's almost an obsession, IMO. But.. then that's just my opinion. So... here's their second blog which was made public recently. I actually left a comment on their blog saying some of what I am going to say here - most of which got ignored. I will show you the parts that did not get ignored and what was said. (I can use the copy paste function too! Just like them!) ;)

Alright... here we go.

Over the last couple of months a group of us have been collecting and verifying information. Everything I post has been verified. We have sources close
to the Jackson family and we talk directly to people who were close to Michael.


You certainly have been "collecting information", that's for sure. But verified? Everything you post has been verified huh? By someone reliable and close to the family? Okay. Let's see about this verified information you're about to share.. :)


This second blog is to clarify a few things and maybe answer some of your questions along the way. Several people have asked about the "Hit List" Karen posted on her Facebook page - whether you are on her page or not or whether you've seen it on her page doesn't really matter - I saw and so did thousands of other people. I'm going to post the exact status update KF did that day but I will be removing everyone's names to protect their privacy. By posting our names she incited violence and hatred amongst Michael's Fans.

Karen Faye Kissinger: "Attention all of my real friends:
there is a secret FB page called "Fans Against Karen Faye".
The following are people are members of that site.
Ten minutes ago ·

{81 Full Names were posted here}
33 minutes ago

Karen Faye Kissinger
"if you know them, or they are on your friend list,
please be cautious. They are not my friends."
30 minutes ago
Karen Faye Kissinger
"check your friend lists please...and be cautious."
25 minutes ago

She knew exactly what would happen - she insinuates and says things in a round about way and her fans dash off to start the harassment.
One of her fans posted in her status that the 3 people running the ACMC page on facebook were employed by SONY to spy...on who I don't know but I'm pretty sure SONY could care less about the childish antics of a mentally unstable cosmetician\Hair Dresser.

Oh, LORD. Okay. Where do I begin? Alright. First off.. I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with their usage of the words "hit list", LOL. Let me take you through what happened here.

Now, let's say that you are Karen Faye.. and you get told that there is a group of people on Facebook who are in a group called "Fans Against Karen Faye". A number of the members of this group are also on your friends list. What would YOU do? Well, probably delete them off your friends list for starters right? Okay. So you do that. NOW, you have some of these people running around talking about how Karen Faye delete you off Facebook for having a different opinion than her and OMG she's so evil and blah blah blah. Now... Karen has asked many times... that if you don't like her.. if you don't trust her... just delete yourself. Of course she knew not everyone was going to do that. Of course there were still going to be people creeping around her page and what not. But now, you have found out who a lot of them are. Now, what do you do with this information? I guess that's up to you. Some people obviously feel that Karen posting that list of names was some kind of act to get her "followers" (please.) to act out against these people and to harass them. Personally, I think it was to call these people out. Look... YOU made a choice to join this group (and for goodness sake, people, if you're going to have a group like this, why would you leave the members list open? LOL) and try to play both sides. YOU got caught. YOU got called out. There was certainly no intention of anyone being harassed or threatened. There were not links to profiles even posted, which she obviously had since she deleted people. She CALLED PEOPLE OUT. The freakin' end. The reactions to this have been so utterly strange. You would think she posted instructions to go to these peoples homes and harm their first born child.

Now,let me make something clear - apparently some people from Karen's FB page used the names on that list to "harass" people. I do not know how much of that is true (if any.). I certainly have not harassed anyone. However - if anyone has been harassed - of course, that is not right. Nobody should be calling people and threatening them. (Though once again, I do find it VERY interesting that these very people who complain about harassment spent a whole lot of time sending Karen some pretty awful tweets!). That, however, is not Karen's fault.

Like I have said before, the people on Karen's page are grown. They make their own decisions. It is NOT for Karen to take responsibility for every single one of their actions.

You say that she did that because she KNEW her friends would harass those people? I disagree, but that's fine. You can have your opinion. I just think it's comical to hear about people talk about calling the FBI because someone posted a list of names of members of a public Facebook group on their Facebook profile. (Meanwhile, btw, the very people who wrote this blog whining about being harassed and Karen using names have on more than one occasion used their own names of people who they felt wronged them - is that hypocritical? I don't know. You tell me.)

It is interesting that this group of people also talk about how they are not a HATE group and it's about LOVE and TRUTH and then call Karen a "mentally unstable hair dresser". Good job, guys. That's taking the high road! Even if you think you have been wronged by her, who are the ones being insulting now?

Now as for this Sony thing.. Karen cannot help what other people think or say. I am not saying that anyone works for Sony. That person who wrote the status update though, whoever that was, is not the only one that has wondered such a thing. I mean... you can't blame people for asking questions when there is such a strange level of hatred for certain people who have been saying certain things... and very little "hate" for other people who have done a lot of harm to Michael... but... well, that's speculation an that's not what we're doing here, right? ;) I'm just saying... you can't blame people for being like "wtf is going on here?"



She bad mouthed AEG all over Facebook and Twitter which in turn, her fans did also. Mean, Nasty and Hateful things. Why stop at AEG - why not bad mouth Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne too! Did anyone notice how quickly she stopped mud slinging at AEG?? As soon as she got paid is the answer.



First of all, why yes I did take out the part where you chose to personally attack someone else. It is bad enough that you are doing what you are doing to Karen, but unfortunately, I guess, Karen has become somewhat of a public figure. When you start talking about other people and what they said to someone else.. I am not going to be a part of that. Sorry.

I think it is funny how you refer to people that support Karen as her "fans". I know you mean that in an insulting way and so I did not want you to think that I did notice your clever insult. So, good job, A+. Anyway.

I am not going to get into who said what to who about who and blah blah blah. That's not my place.


This business about "stopped mud slinging AEG blah blah as soon as she got paid" whatever is nonsense as well, btw. No idea where that came from.


Side note - Michael did NOT hire Karen Faye for this tour, AEG with a few others hired her because she was the only one willing to work and get paid at the end of the tour....I guess she had nothing else to do *shrugs*


Oh, really? Did AEG tell you that? LOL.. well, first of all, like I said before, if AEG hired Karen and Michael did not want Karen, since he was so in control of everything as you say he was, why wouldn't he have just said "oh, no, I don't want her"? And do you REALLY think they could not have found another makeup artist willing to not get paid at the end of the tour... to work for MICHAEL JACKSON? Yeah. That's what I thought too. And all this is just IF what you are saying is true which I do not think it is.


Forest Lawn - After the pictures of Michaels crypt got loose on the net - was asked by Katherine Jackson to do an investigation into who took the pictures in the
first place. Forest Lawn reported back and Katherine BANNED Karen Faye from there for life....just her.


A+ Detective work guys! Karen Faye took the pictures! ....um, duh? Was that a secret in your minds? Of course she took them. She took them and POSTED THEM ON HER FACEBOOK PAGE. SHE WAS NOT HIDING THE FACT THAT SHE TOOK THEM. Good lord. Good investigation. And, oh, really? Banned for life you say? That's pretty intense... do you have any proof of that one? All I'm saying is what I've said before.. I know that Karen and the family are on good terms. So, yeah.


Michael fired Karen Faye 2 different times in the past - the last time being in 2005 after the MJJSOURCE fiasco. Michael was not happy that she and Randy were
make money off His name, they charged money for memberships and collected money for merchandise that no one ever received nor was any moneys reimbursed to MJ's fans.
She blamed Michael for everything and MJ was going through the trial at the time - he had no stake in the website.


According to what Karen herself has said MICHAEL did not fire Karen ever. I will not even go into MJJSource AGAIN, just check my last blog. BUT, I would like to point out one of many accuracy problems in this blog - there was no money charged for being a member of the site. I didn't pay anything and I looked at the site. You are talking about ordering things. And, AGAIN, no back and look at my older post for why this MJJSource is ridiculous. Thanks.


What about these MJ Memorial Bracelets the KF said Michael originally picked out to give to the cast and crew of the TII Tour but that they didn't arrive before
Michael passed....So 2 things - If MJ did pick them out for the crew I'm pretty sure he would have had them way before that. and 2 Michael picked those out????
Seriously?? Are you kidding me??? and KF and Randy are selling them for $40....Ok, really???

Ooh, yay! This is one of my favorite parts of this blog.

2 Things:

1. What are you talking about. If MJ did pick them out for the crew I'm pretty sure he would have had them way before that... what? What are you saying...? I mean.. what are you saying? Why on earth would you have assumed that they would have already been there? Maybe he had the idea later on. Maybe they weren't ready yet? Maybe he planned to give it to them in London? Or when the concerts started? I mean.. I don't even know what you're talking about.

2. Randy? LOL. Funny story guys. See, I thought they just mispelled "Randi". Nope. Apparently, their "verified" information/source close to the family told them it was Randy as in RANDY JACKSON selling the bracelets. I had to comment TWICE on their original blog explaining their little "mistake" and still have not gotten a response from them on that (not that I was expecting one. They didn't respond to pretty much anything. However, at one point someone else commenting on their blog did tell me they "stood corrected" on the bracelet issue. So, that's something I guess. This just goes to show you though how good their sources and information are though, right? ;)


Flash forward to the Psychic reading (I figure that was a lie also and Ill tell you why) TMZ was obviously scoping facebook for info or a story (maybe it was a slow week LOL)and low and behold - all over Faye's facebook page was her discussing the reading her and Lisa Marie had, TMZ runs the story cause they really don't care if its true and the media start to message her - she acts annoyed about the whole thing posts some poor reporters email and - the kf followers ATTACK via email and phone calls. They tryed to contact LMP for her side and LMP did not comment. Hmmmmm maybe cause it didn't happen and just a few weeks before that KF was badmouthing Lisa and
she VERY obviously doesn't like her. I cant see Lisa hanging out with Karen of all people..??? She is the daughter of the effen King Of Rock and Roll!!!!

Flash Forward to it wasn't TMZ that published that story, it was The Sun. More accuracy! (For the record, this is the one point that they agreed they messed up on. I guess they kinda had to agree. Since it's out there in black and white.)

Now, REALLY guys? Really? Karen made the whole thing up did she? Grow up.

As for why LMP did not respond... uh... unless you talked to her yourself, do you know why that is? Maybe she doesn't talk to tabloids? Maybe she doesn't care? But, I'm interested in knowing how that translates in any way to "maybe 'cause it didn't happen"? I would actually think it would be MORE likely that she would comment if it didn't happen to say "that never happened" than if it DID happen...

Besides, how do you even know they contacted LMP? Do you have LMP insider information too? LOL

There was no badmouthing. Proof?

And... the daughter of the "King of Rock and Roll" wouldn't be hanging out with Karen because.. why, exactly?


The "Friends of Karen" people are trolling facebook harassing people all the while using KF's name LOL nice one guys - called a woman at her home and was vulger and nasty (this woman has nothing at all to do with KF or even MJ but they did it anyway)


Total speculation, zero proof, and I have seen NO evidence of this on that page. Everyone on that page, as far as I know are lovely people. So... sorry if someone got harassed.. but do not blame that page for that. And I still do not see how you guys get to complain about harassment... allow me, once again, to direct you to your own twitter.


Now, a few days ago Debbie Rowe went to Forest Lawn to pay her respects - she noticed all the fans and drove around 3 times waiting for them to leave. This poor woman thought we all hated her. We definitely do not hate Miss Debbie Rowe, in fact we RESPECT her soooo very much for always staying true to Michael even after his death do you notice that the people who actually loved, respected and care for Michael have not said anything about him - well except how much they love and miss him..??

In my humble opinion - Karen is NOT one of those people.

I am glad to see a sudden respect for Debbie from some fans. She certainly has not always been so beloved.

Once again - Karen is not speaking to hear her own voice. But, if you cannot understand that or refuse to, then fine. My request is for those of you who are simply reading these blogs and taking them as truth... for you to, once again, make up your own minds by hearing two sides of the stories. Ask questions, do some research, and please do not assume that what these people are saying is true. As you can see, their "reliable" information is questionable at best and horribly wrong at worst. Maybe the two things that I clearly proved were wrong (Randi vs Randy and TMZ vs The Sun) are not big deals, but it speaks to how quickly they are willing to post these things as fact and talk about how verified they are when CLEARLY they are not. So, again. Please... make your own informed decisions and judgments. And if you come to a decision that you do not agree with Karen? Fine. Nobody is saying you have to. But, a little respect would be nice.

And... in MY humble opinion... Karen ABSOLUTELY loved, respected and cared for Michael. I believe that with my whole heart. No matter how many BS blogs you write. ;)


Stay tuned :)

You too! ;)

The Truth About Their Truth, part 2.

Karen is mad at AEG for not speaking the truth about MJs health. What Karen seems to forget is what she wrote on her facebook during rehearsal time. She posted that MJ was great and had only uplifting words back then. If that is not the case, then why did she then lie to the fans before June 25? Here are two post she wrote in May 2009.

Karen Faye Kissinger
“running into all the MJJ tour alumni...and meeting all the newbies too. London is going to be AMAZING!!!! THIS IS IT!!!!!!”

“Karen Faye Kissinger
Michael was amazing today… He sends his love and appreciation to all of you. THIS IS IT”



Oh, geez. Okay, we're really gonna go here. Guys... you have to try to understand this one a little better. First of all, I believe that there were some good moments and some bad moments during the rehearsal process. And it is entirely possible that Michael WAS amazing. The issue has never been whether Michael was amazing or not. Furthermore, what was she going to post? "Oh, I don't think he can do this"? You guys cannot possibly seriously be judging her for what she posted on her Facebook during rehearsals.. can you??? Come ON. People. THINK.


She claims that Michael was forced to do the tours because he was financial but this is her first post on facebook after Michael Jackson passed.

“Karen Faye Kissinger
I know how painful it is to loose this beautiful man....I can barely speak, but I must share with you his reason for getting on stage once again. It wasn't for money or to relaunch his career...it was to send the message that we must HEAL THE WORLD, before it's too late. He wanted to let us know that we have a four year window to get it right, to start walking the highest path, or we will loose the earth.”

“Karen Faye Kissinger
I want you to know he was full of love for all of you. He was looking forward to making everyone smile, and unite in these difficult times...to make the world a better place.”

“Karen Faye Kissinger
he was working so hard...and he was so happy when I left him on Wednesday night...this is so difficult”

Okay, a new low. Now we are going to analyze her words from days after Michael died. I can play this game. Fine. Um... first of all, I do believe that Michael DID want to tell everyone to heal the world. He DID believe in that four years thing as we all HEARD HIM SAY in TII. None of that is wrong. Also, nobody EVER said that Michael didn't want to do a single show and did not want to reach out to the fans. Not ONCE was that said. But, ten shows are different from 50, right? And an idea of wanting to be able to reach out to the fans is different than being able to handle doing 50 shows in reality, right? Do you see where I am going with this?

Now, what would you have wanted her to say days after he died when she was grieving? You know how we all felt? Imagine how she felt. I don't even remember that first week other than just being in complete shock. I don't remember what I said to who. Imagine HER pain. In the midst of all that.. when the fans were already grieving so intensely.. when Karen was grieving so intensely.. should she have been discussing all of that? THAT week? Or do you think that maybe this was her way of reaching out to grieving fans and perhaps trying to connect with them herself?

I can't remember the last time I saw someone get judged and criticized so harshly. Give me a break. She did the right thing saying what she said when she said it. It was not up to her to be running around telling everyone everything in May and June and it was certainly not the time to share all of her thoughts the WEEK Michael passed. This is unreal to me.


Now, who's bad? Some fans that have been around Michael for a long time reached out to her because they were concerned about his health. She on the other hand asks them to be quite about it for his sake. She silenced the fans because deep inside she thought MJ would be able to do this. Karen has confessed on her facebook already that MJ rocked and were great on his last rehearsals. It is the same rehearsals we have seen in the movie, and it is during the same time period the fans reached out to her, but she shut them down. Maybe Karen also thought MJ would do this because this is MJ for god sake. That is why she needs to stop blaming KO and RP, what if they all also thought that MJ was gonna be able to do this? We have also seen Karin bitching about that she wasn’t credited in the movie or in the OPUS book. LOL.. She is on a mission to boycott the movie and the executors and the TII crew and then gets mad because no one acknowledged her work. And isn't Karen an enabler as well? She have talked so much about how she knew MJ was taking drugs for years, then what did she do about it? Nothing.

Ah, okay, here we go. These fans who reached out to her about her health - she responded to them, right? We all read the emails, we saw what she said (PROVING that she had concerns BEFORE he died despite what some of you seem to think.). Why did she tell them to be quiet? That is something that we cannot comment on. I would like to say again, that you have to think this one through. Think about why she might have told them to keep it quiet. Just think it through. PLEASE. THINK for yourselves, stop taking the conclusions that these people have come to as fact. If you were Karen and in that situation, what kinds of things would you have to be thinking about? What might be some reasons you would not want it spread all over the place that these things were being discussed or noticed? Please.. THINK, people.

Now, as far as "blaming others" for not noticing... I am uncomfortable going too far into this. However, I would like to point out that as Karen has said publicly, she did everything within her power. Perhaps.... not everyone else did everything within their power. Perhaps that is the problem. I just wish people could listen to what she is saying... really listen... and try to understand. Stop reading blogs and assuming that they are fact. open your mind.. and think about why she may have acted the way she did at that time and why she may have some anger towards some people. And with all THAT aside, let us also remember that not a single one of us were there at rehearsals. Not a single one of us knows what went down in that place. KAREN does. And I would like you all to consider once again... what on Earth she has to gain by "making this up"? Do you think she's making herself any friends in the industry right now? I mean, really.. really.

And what is this crap about her saying she wasn't credited in the movie? She was credited in the movie. She knows that.

As for the Opus.. you guys are weird. You're bringing up such strange things. She wasn't "bitching". She simply made an observation.

And she was not on a mission to BOYCOTT the movie, geez people.

And who the hell are any of you people to tell anyone that Karen did nothing? WERE YOU THERE? Do you have ANY idea what she did or didn't do, what she could and could not have done?! I mean, my god. I just do not understand who some of you people think you are. I mean, honestly, how DARE you. You have no idea. She has ENOUGH to deal with without ignorant people who were not there talking about "blood on her hands" (no, that was not in the blog, but it's been said and you all know it.) and how she did nothing and blah blah blah - you don't know. You have no idea.


The pictures from FL that she posted on your facebook and then blamed the fans when they got leaked is beyond hurtful. Karen Fake is not naive, she has been in the game for a time. She knows that fans quote her off of her site. Prior to the pictures, Karen was telling everyone to be aware because the media was lurking.. and YET she goes and publish the pictures on her facebook. She is to blame and not the fans or whoever that sold them. People who have called TMZ have been told that the original owner sold them to them. That makes you wonder. I hope the rumours are true that Katherine took her off the list from visiting MJ. I mean, it was indeed a LONG time since she visited Michael. LOL


Oh, this one is my favorite. No. She is not naive. She did know what she was doing. What she was doing, you see, was taking pictures, openly admitting to taking pictures and SHARING those pictures. I know a number of people did not like that she did that. That is fine. You do not have to like that she did that. But, a lot of OTHER people felt healed and comforted and thankful for those pictures. Karen has said publicly that Michael would want his fans to be able to see where he is. Now, you may disagree and that's fine. But at the end of the day... Karen knew Michael better than you did. I mean, unless you knew him, but I'm not so sure how many people reading this blog knew him.

Of course TMZ said that the original owner sold them. What else are they going to see? Not even getting into all this again, please see my earlier blog on TMZ if you want to know about THAT and the FL stuff.


She deletes everyone that is not agreeing with her. And she asks fans to spy on each other and then to report to her if someone is suspicious. How low can you be to actually ask the fans to do this and the fans that are doing it, they are brainwashed. MJ would never have wanted this. Karen doesn’t do anything either to stop some people from attacking other. She is encouraging it.

This again? No. She does not delete everyone that does not agree with her. That is never how it went down. I do not care how much all of the butthurt people who got deleted claim that is the case, that is NOT the case. There were a great number of disagreements that were CIVIL and POLITE on her page and no one got deleted. People got deleted if they were RUDE. If they were making accusations (questions are one thing. Mean accusations are another.) And can I just remind you all that that is KAREN'S page? She can delete whoever she wants. This wasn't a Michael Jackson fan club.. it was Karen's personal Facebook page. If she didn't like someone, if she didn't trust someone, if she ha reason to be suspicious of someone, then she is more than within her right to dedlete them.

Brainwashed? LOL. First, I don't really recall Karen asking anyone to spy, but I don't think any of you all have any right to talk about spying anyway, half of you with your fake profiles, and your anti-Karen Facebook groups, and your posting Karen's words all over the place and calling her Karen Craye and Karen Fake and what not but then being all sweet on her page.. come on. You don't even get to talk about spying. You do NOT even get to bring it up. lol

You're right about one thing - Michael would hate this. All of this.

Also:

The great majority of the people that were on Karen's Facebook page are grown. Karen should not have to play hall monitor on her Facebook page with people who cannot handle discussions without attacking. She had 5000 people on there and she had a life to live and was not on her Facebook page every second to monitor every post. It is up to people to behave properly. It is not up to Karen to dictate how people should behave. Please. And she did not ENCOURAGE attacking, lol.


The worst thing are all the personal information she has revealed of people close to MJ. Karen told fans on her facebook that Prince have vitiligo. Karen have been telling fans that Grace has slept with Jermaine. Karen have told the fans about Joanna Thomas and MJs relationship and her sexual life.Why is she out there telling strangers about other peoples private life? She is acting like a 17 year old schoolgirl bitch. This doesn’t concern her or the fans. She is gossiping about other people in an evil-spirited way and people have been hurt. Is it fun for Joanna to know that Karen said the things about her to 5000 people? Karen Fake needs to stop with this. What has Graces or Joannas sexual life to do with "seek truth and love for MJ" as she constantly claims? Karen Fake is is acting like a 17yr old bitch when she is gossiping like that.

Yes, we have hear your opinions about Prince and vitiligo for months. But, it was all cool when La Toya did it, right? Okay.. she's family, that is true. But, if the concern is that people shouldn't know, then why is it okay for one person to say it and not another? And how do you even know it's a secret? Also... do you remember the time period that both Karen and La Toya made these comments? Do you remember what else was going on around this time?

I certainly never saw her comment on her page about Grace and Jermaine. News to me. Proof? You all have screenshots of every damn thing apparently, how come we never see them?

Blah, blah, blah Johanna. You know how supportive Karen has been of her? She actually went out of her way to try to get a mean group about her shut down. That evil evil Karen! All that she has been trying to do with regards to these kinds of things is to tell the TRUTH as opposed to all the rumors all over the place. If that makes her evil, well, then so be it, I guess.

"Karen Fake is is acting like a 17yr old bitch when she is gossiping like that."

MJ would be so proud of you... wow. Shaking my head.


Look at this person guys! If this was someone else close to MJ doing this, no one would have accepted it, but because its Karen Fake, then it is Okay I guess. Would you approve of a friend of MJ feeding Mr Friedman with information? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to reveal Prince medical condition? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to steal money from the fans? Would you approve of a friend of MJ to say his family are crazy and dysfunctional? NO! You wouldn't!

I think it is time for YOU to look at this person. Not one of the things that you have said, you have been able to prove. Not ONE. Most of them have perfectly reasonable explanations. Sometimes it is an "agree to disagree" or "opinion" situation. But, not ONCE have you been able to prove that she is doing ANYTHING that deserves even HALF of the treatment and attacks that she has been getting. People who are reading these blogs and taking them as truth, you NEED to stop. You NEED to look at this properly. You have questions? ASK THEM. I would be happy to answer you as I am sure many people would. But, please... please... see these "facts" for what they are. (Although it is also a good idea to wonder what exactly it is they "are". Why so much hate for such little things, none of which can even be proven, when there are so many other people who have done awful things that we KNOW about who are not recieving this much crap?) Please. Think for yourselves. These people call those of us who have stood by Karen "cult members". Called us "sheep". I do not agree. Sheep would follow what is being shoved into our faces and THESE PEOPLE have been going out of their way to try to paint Karen in a horrible light for awhile now. The sheep are the ones who cannot come to their own decisions. So, please.. I am asking you all... to look at these "facts"... and look at Karen's history... and look at the INTENTIONS behind much of what has been said or done.. and please... come to your own conclusions. Again, ask questions! It is HEALTHY and GOOD to question and not just blindly follow anyone. But, ASK the questions. Properly. Do not assume what you are hearing here is correct - it mostly honestly is NOT.

I'm glad that many many fans knows this woman and what she have done in the past. Its just up for the new fans to see it as well. I advice everyone who wants to know about her too search her name on the MJ boards and see what fans have written about her! These are fans that have been in the fan community for a long time.


No! You see? No! Why on earth are you advising people to search BOARDS to see what people have said? Should we advise people to search the internet to see what people have said about Michael? God, can you imagine how THAT would go? Do not search BOARDS, do not listen to he said she said.. MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. ASK QUESTIONS! Read Karen's Twitter! Michael taught us better than this, you guys...


The last thing. Fans have sent e-mails writing that Karma is a bitch when the pages got deleted. Yes, Karma is a bitch because you know what? I know that many people that are fed up with this woman have actually saved an copied the comments Karen have made of the Jackson family and of Grace. They are thinking of sending it to Grace and to the Jackson family. As you read this, Genevieve Jackson, Brandi Jackson, Jermaine Jackson II, Randy Jackson JR, Austin Brown have maybe received the quotes Karen have made of their family. I'm not sure if they have sent it to them yet or if they are, but I do know that they are thinking of sending the quotes. Isn't it fun for them to know what Karen have been telling thousands of fans of their grandmother and their uncle? LOL. And maybe Grace have received the quotes Karen have made of her.



Okay. Whatever. I'm sure that Genevieve, Brandi, Jermaine II, Randy Jr and Austin are really concerned about Karen's Facebook page. That's just.. okay. Y'all have fun. I do not think the family needs to hear from fans what Karen's been saying. Karen KNOWS the family and the family knows Karen. And despite what you may have heard, Karen and the family (NOT just Randy.) are still in touch.


So, Karen Fake should stop running her mouth because Karma just bite her ass again!

Sigh. See above. Please, people. Please... educate yourselves.. and come to your OWN conclusions. Ask questions. Stop believing these things as fact. Just open your eyes and open your mind. Do what Michael taught us and "do not judge someone without talking to them one on one". Do what Michael said and "before you judge, try hard to love". Try to see things from another point of view. Just... try. Please. Also, please see how these people who claim to be acting "for Michael" are speaking to and about Karen and other fans who support Karen. It's all for LOVE, right? Sigh.

Part 3 where we discuss Blog #2 will be up soon.

The Truth About Their "Truth", part 1.

*NOTE: It has been brought to my attention that some people might assume that I am talking about the Facebook group "Fans Against Karen Faye" with regards to this blog. I am not. That Facebook group are not the ones who are responsible for this blog. My apologies. I do reference them with regards to "the list", but only because that directly involved them. They did not write this blog. Once again.. I apologize for the confusion.

A group of people who have been making themselves known have recently published a couple of fairly slanderous blogs about Karen. I do not wish to draw attention to it, but since you all have seen it anyway, maybe it is better to do so. Maybe it is better to show you exactly what has been said and EXACTLY what is WRONG with it. So, here we go. Their words will be plain, my responses will be bold.

Allow me to make this absolutely clear - once again - these are MY thoughts. I did not sit down and have an interview with Karen about this. ANY of it. That's not what the point of this is. Alright. So. Enjoy.

This will be in a few parts.

Some people might be surprised over her actions recently, but as a longtime fan of Michael Jackson, I am not surprised at all. This is the REAL Karen. She has done this for a time now and it is sickening. Karen openly talks and insult the Jackson family, Grace, Raymone, Joanna Thomae, Zaldy, Kenny Ortega, Travis Payne, Randy Phillips, Shana and many others, but when we want to question her, she goes ballistic?

Well, let's start off by saying that I am also a "longtime fan" of Michael Jackson. Maybe not as long as some of you, but not for not trying. I was only BORN in 1984. But, as a "longtime fan" of Michael Jackson, I would like to say, what, exactly, has she done for a long time? I have NEVER heard this kind of craziness about her until recently. For years she was the woman who made Michael look amazing for Bad, In The Closet, They Don't Care About Us, etc. And was by his side when he was protesting Sony. And spoke about him SO well in "Living with Michael Jackson Take Two.". There was ONE kind of confusing incident awhile ago with a website, yes. Other than that? Never heard a bad word about her in my life until recently.

Karen did talk openly to a degree, yes. I have to say, though, in all that "open talking", I don't think she ever once went ballistic because someone wanted to question her. Hell, when people were downright ACCUSING her of things, she didn't even go ballistic. In fact, I never even saw her go ballistic in my life.


Karen goes under the name Karen FAKE on many Michael Jackson boards. Her name is banned there and many fans and owners of MJ boards don't like this woman at all. Go and be a member of the boards and search for her name and you will see what fans have to say about her, not so nice stories let me tell you! And these are fans who have been in the fan-community for a long long time and have met with her. The own er of the biggest fan board lashed out against her recently for her actions. Owners of other boards have also shared their not so pleasant meetings with her. In may 2009 we found out that Karen was back to work with MJ and she had created a facebook site. From May to June 25th, Karen nearly had 100 friends on her FB. Fans on the boards couldn't give a rats ass that she was back and no one was sending her friend requests. Look at the number now, she got 5000 friends . Doesn't this say a lot? The ones who added her after MJ died have no idea what this woman has done before. They are clueless and they are “new fans”.

Karen Fake? Well. That's mature. I'm sure Michael would be so proud of all these names. The man who went through his own personal name-calling hell. Good job fans, for doing the same thing to someone else now. I don't care if you don't like her, as a fan of Michael's who got to see how he felt about that name they gave him.. we shouldn't be calling ANYONE names like that.

Okay, blah blah, people on forums don't like her. I mean, okay. That could have something to do with all the misquotes and stuff going on, I mean, hell if all I knew about her was things that I heard on other forums, I wouldn't really like her either! If I didn't know that what I was reading was, for the most part, twisted, exaggerate or completely made up!

That is a very strange thing to say. She only had 100 friends and then she had 5000 so that says... what? I can tell you that I didn't have her as a friend earlier because it would never have occurred to me to even think to myself "oh, I wonder if Karen Faye has a Facebook." (I mean, no offense Karen if you happen to be reading this.) ;) That doesn't mean I'm a new fan.. that is totally illogical. Besides, most of the people talking crap about her were on her FB page... unless they are clueless new fans too.. so, um.. next.


Here is just one of endless stories of her shared by a longtime fan.

“Personally I hope Karen isn't hired by Michael ever again. I never knew her personally but I know someone who did and lets put it this way in front of the camera she would speak nicely, behind it was a totally different story. Some fans may think otherwise and everything but also the way she treated some fans was just plain wrong. I remember X off of MJJF and how she got treated and spoken too and for someone to do that, I don't understand how anyone would want to hire her, least of all Michael.”

Let's start by noticing the "I never knew her personally". Let's then move on to the whole behind the caemras, blah blah blah. The worst fan story I have EVER heard about Karen Faye is that she was talking to a group of fans and this one girl kept trying to get her attention and Karen wasn't hearing her and then when she finally did she had to leave after a minute. Or something like that. I mean, that's the worst story I hear up until all you people started talking. So, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to get at here.. now she was rude to fans??? I don't think so.

Now, lets discuss the real Karen Fake.

Again with the Karen Fake. CLASSY!

1) Karen Fake, Randy Jackson, Taunya Zilkie (girlfriend of Randy Jackson at that time) were managing Michael's official site MJJSOURCE during the trial. These three people ended up scamming the fans. They charged 49,00USD and 89,00USD for a package of some goods. Myself and many other never received any package, nor did we get a refund. Neither did we get an apology. The fans told Michael about this and he immediately shut down the page and fired Karen Fake. Then Karen Fake blamed him for the mess. This is the post Karen Fake wrote about the incident with the site: “I understand all the anger with the fans, but we have done everything in our power to live up to all the promises Michael has made. If he does not fulfill his promises…there is nothing we can do. We were Michael’s voice, but if he doesn’t wish to speak or pay the bills for MJJsource, there is nothing we can do.”

Exactly what promises could MJ have made when he was fighting for his life? Epic fail ms Fake. Not to mention, they did not only scam the fans, but they were doing this when MJ was fighting for his life. Disgusting.

Oh, good. MJJSource. We can't have a good ol' fashioned Karen-bashing fest without that gem! Okay. Here's the thing. First of all, WERE YOU THERE? I mean, were you there? Not ON the website, actually THERE? No? Okay then. Now, as far as I understand it, yes. There were some issues that happened with that site and some fans got screwed over. And that sucks. But, you know what, at the end of the day, if the site wasn't being funded, it wasn't being funded. Karen Faye was not meant to pay for the site on her own and then one day stopped paying, right? Do you believe that if someone ordered something off of the website that the money hopped right into Karen's pocket? And that her and Randy (and Taunya? That's the first I've heard of her being involved... that's interesting to me, not because I know one way or another if she was involved or not, but because that just goes to show you how many versions of this story is out there.). Anyway, are you actually trying to imply that they set up this whole plan to steal $60 from fans with no intentions of living up to what they said they would live up to? Give me a break. The site was shut down and it sucks that people gt screwed over and I'm sorry but if you are really going to take what happened and translate that into "OMG KAREN FAYE STOLE ALL OUR MONEY BECAUSE SHE IS EVIL".. and then take it even further to say "AND SO MICHAEL FIRED HER".... uh.... really guys? Really? Think it through. You are willing to make bold statements like that when you were not THERE? When you do not KNOW what happened and why? You are that willing to take someone who theoretically did nothing wrong and talk about this story over and over an over again when you don't know. That speaks of YOUR character. Not hers. People who are on the fence should not give this story too much weight - as I said - there is no evidence of any of this. Karen did not need to steal money from fans nor would she and you all have no idea why the site had to close and why things didn't happen. I get that when crap happens, you want to blame someone but... you can't. You weren't there. You don't know. And I have to say, I have not heard so much anger about something that happened five years ago until recently which makes me believe this is less about that situation anyway and more about things you may not like that she is saying or doing NOW. But, that is just my guess/opinion.

As for her statement up there, I never saw it so I don't even know if it is accurate. If it is, well, I don't know. I would guess that had Michael made any promises at that point, he might not be able to live up to them. He was a little bit busy. I do not think that, even if this statement is accurate, that Karen was saying "OMG THAT MICHAEL WTF". Karen loved Michael and spoke VERY highly on him ALWAYS, INCLUDING after the trial when she wrote this:

http://www.mjfriendship.de/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=58


2) Michael Jackson fired ms Fake in 2005. Me and many other fans were outside the gates of Neverland and saw her and Taunya leave the property just 15 minutes after the verdict was in. We were later told that she and Taunya was asked to leave the property. Why else leave just 15 minutes after the verdict? Karen says that she was out of contact with MJ for four years. Don't forget that Michael came back to the states in December 2006. That means that MJ had been away from the US for 18 months. He was back living in the States but never called her back. During this time, Michael did have appearances that would require a make-up and hairstylist. He appeared on the VMAs 2006 in London, he invited a crew from Access Hollywood to Ireland in 2006, he went to James Browns funeral in 2006, he went to Japan for the the fan appreciation party in 2007, he were promoting Thriller25 and did a photo shoot for L'UOMO Vogue and Ebony magazine in 2007. Karen Fake did NOT work on any of these projects, because she was not called back. Period.

Out of Karen's own mouth on Twitter: "Michael NEVER fired me". So, we have that. Now, what do YOU have to prove YOUR point? True, those are just her words. True, she could be lying. But, if she says MICHAEL never fired her, then how are arguing? What are you going with? The fact that she didn't go with him to Bahrain? I mean... he went away... with his kids. And Grace, I guess. And whatever security he needed. He did not need an entourage. He was not going to be making a whole lot of public appearances there, so I imagine that he did not feel it was logical to bring his make up artist there with him. Karen did have her own life to live, including a child, let's remember that too. Let's also remember that Michael didn't bring a LOT of people with him. So, why on EARTH are we sitting here talking about Karen being fired? What?! What proof do you have of this? Where did you even HEAR this? Michael did not take ANYONE to Bahrain with him that he did not need with him (ie, yes, he took his children's nanny. Because, you know, he took his children.).

As for the 15 minutes thing... dunno. Definitely never heard that one before. I don't think Karen was even AT Neverland yet when the verdict was read, so I'm not sure exactly how that would have worked. Again, how do you know? And I enjoyed your "why else leave after 15 minutes?". That's just another way of saying "I dunno. I'm just guessing." So, yeah.

And she definitely did not say they were out of contact for that many years...

Then, yes. He came back at the end of 06 and in 07 and 08 did a few things here and there and I guess you're right. Karen did not do his hair or makeup for those few things. Oh, my. That must mean there was a deep deep hatred between them. For goodness sake, people. Who the hell knows why she didn't do his makeup during that time? Perhaps he already had someone lined up and that was just easier. Perhaps she was not really being employed by him anymore (BECAUSE HE LEFT THE COUNTRY) and was doing other things. There are a NUMBER of "perhaps". But, let's go with what you're saying for a sec, even though I think that's really reaching - umm... if he didn't call her 'cause he didn't like her or was mad at her or whatever it is you are saying... may I ask why she was back for TII? (Yes, I've heard. AEG hired her. We'll get to THAT later.). May I ask what that would even prove about anything to do with anything even if he HAD been mad at her? Have you ever been mad at anyone in your life who is still a good person? I mean, like, you all are taking all of these random events and putting them together and filling in the blanks yourselves and guessing what happened and making these conclusions on your own. Do you all not see that? This is speculation at its BEST. There is not only not a single bit of proof about what they are saying, but they are filling in the blanks THEMSELVES. And why are we all of a sudden having fits about something from 2005 anyway? You can talk all you want about how it's not new, but like I said, I haven't heard any kin of "hatred" about Karen until last year so... yeah. Do with that what you will. (Think about it though.) Period.


1) How come Karen can post personal information about Michael and everyone seems to be okay with it? Karen was posting under the name Turkle on MJJF before. Her posts was mainly about Michael and she was sharing personal information about him. She sold him out in life, and now in death. Classy woman! Ms Fake have been obsessed with MJ. She would reveal how she used to sit in MJ's lap while doing his make-up and she told us that she unfortunately hadn't kissed him or seen him naked. This is not a professional behaviour. She slams Grace for “leaving her husband to take care of someone else's kids”. Karen seems to forget that when she just got married, she left her husband for several months to go and work with MJ on the tour. Karen dislikes every woman that have in some way been connected to Michael Jackson. Doesn't this tell you something? She is a jealous woman, an obsessed woman! Karen Fake doesn't know every detail of MJ's personal life. She doesn't realize that every time she claims MJ was not involved with the named women, she is really feeding the rumours that he was gay.

Here's a good question. How come Karen can post personal information about him and everyone seems to be okay with it? Well, first of all, obviously not everyone is okay with it, look at you all. So, what are you talking about? Second of all, what personal information are you even referring to? Seriously... I mean SERIOUSLY.. with the exception of a few cute stories here and there, what have you heard from her that you didn't already hear somewhere else? For the most part, she answered questions. If she's being asked something, obviously someone has HEAR the story before and wants it cleared up. It's not like she posted a status going "OMG SO LIKE LAST APRIL MICHAEL TOTALLY WAS DOING THIS AND THAT AND...".. anyway. Now, let me be clear, I am not saying that she did not share things about him - absolutely she did. Did she share too much? That is a matter of one's own opinion which everyone is certainly entitled to have. But, I think it is also important to look at it carefully and to look at the INTENT. Is she sharing information because she wants to get all his personal business out there? I don't think so.. she could do that much better in an interview or something (and those of you saying she couldn't get anyone to interview her, please. First of all, bs and you know it. Second of all, you JUST CLAIMED she talked to the Sun. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouths!) ;). Is it because she is writing a tell all? Well, I doubt it, 'cause first of all she isn't, and second of all, if she was, she'd be kinda weird to give all the details before the book was published... I mean, just think about the intent. Think about who she is talking to and what she is saying and why. Just THINK.

Now, let's also turn it around for a second - how come if Karen says something it's betrayel to the highest degree and we all hate her... but if three bodyguards go on TV and talk about weed, throwing cell phones out of windows and not being able to afford to attend a birthday party... how come THAT we are seemingly okay with? I don't see any hate groups about those body guards! Anyone wanna get on that??? Or should we continue to praise them because they said MJ liked women? That's not new information - we already knew this - LOTS of others have said this publicly. And, also, aren't these bodyguards writing a book?? Isn't that a big no-no around here? Help.. I'm confused. Is anyone else?!

I don't know about that business about her saying unfortunately she hasn't seen him naked or kissed him. Uh.. I mean, that doesn't sound like Karen to me. So, again... any proof? Even if she did do that, it hardly would make her evil. But, I don't think she did it.

Careful. I don't think she slammed Grace for that reason. In fact, I think I remember someone ELSE saying that...

She certainly does not dislike every woman that was involved in MJ's life. That's just stupidity and I'm not even going to dignify it with a list of all the women she has said positive things about. You know you're wrong on that one. She is FRIENDS with at least one of the main "women in his life".

Of course she doesn't know every detail of his personal life. Nor did she claim to! Next?

Oh, okay, wait, what? Really? Because she made it clear that he didn't have a relationship with "x" or "y", she's FEEDING the rumors that he was GAY? You see... this is exactly how you people think. You make your own strange conclusions that's for sure. Should she instead say that he did have relationships with women he didn't? What about when she talks about how much he loved Lisa? Is that also feeding those rumors? I mean, really, people, what ARE you talking about?



1) Karen Fake and Joe Jackson got into a heated argument during the trial. Joe Jackson found out that Karen was running her mouth about him on the boards and he called her out. That is right, Karen was not only talking about Michael at that time, she were talking about his family as well. Karen never learns, she knows the fans cares for the family much more than her and if she says something to the fans, you bet the fans will tell the family. Do you see the pattern guys? Karen have done this, giving away information about the family and MJ, to the fans for a long time now.

LOL. Sorry, but LOL. I have no idea if that's true or not, but even if it is.. LOL. How would Joe know if Karen was "running her mouth on the boards" and was Joe really concerned with what Karen Faye was supposedly saying during the trial? Again... those of you who say Joe "bitched her out"... it makes me LOL. Because half the time Joe is ~evil~ but when it works, he's the hero. I don't know if her and Joe had an argument or not. I don't really care either. I don't think it proves anything. If someone told Joe that Karen was giving away information and he got mad.. okay. That is nothing more than you guys telling me that she gave out information. Doesn't mean it's true. And even if it is true.. oh well. Joe got mad. I guess we can all hate Karen now. (WTF?) Anyone witness this argument first hand? Did he yell at her in the middle of the street or something? Anyone?


She has said and described the Jackson family as crazy and dysfunctional.
She told that Joe Jackson is an angel compared to Katherine now and that Katherine have gone all crazy. Such a nice friend to speak like that off your friend and clients family, right? Puh-lease!

Um.... yeah, I'm gonna go with 'no' on that one. You guys HAVE to either get better spies or.. I don't know. Learn how to read. Stop taking things out of context (or in some cases just totally making them up.) and putting them out there like this. Do you not see what you are doing?? Or, better question.. WHY are you doing it?

We have always been taught to believe and stick to the facts. The autopsy that were released stated MJs weight as 136p and no pain-killers were found in MJs system. What is Karen going to do now? She have been running her mouth claiming Michael was on drugs. These facts proves it wrong. We stick to the facts during the trial and should do it now as well. Michael Jackson was the one who taught us not to speculate, but to stick to the facts. These facts proves her wrong and we should end all speculation.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE AND STICK TO THE FACTS. RIGHT. With the proof. Meanwhile, you all have been talking for weeks without a single amount of your OWN proof. We keep hearing "you are going to learn the truth, it is going to come out soon!".. are you waiting for a certain holiday or something? You have something to say? Say it. People who run around talking about how one day we'll see... without actually saying anything... well... you know how that goes. Usually, they end up fading away and we never "see". Especially when they've been saying it for months.

Now, with the autopsy. To be honest, I don't want to touch that stuff. But, I will say that I do not recall Karen talking about Michael being "high on painkillers". As for the weight? I don't know what to say about that. But, I will say this. If you look at Michael in 2003 and you see how thin he was (which I am certainly not saying he wasn't thin. He was. He was almost always thin.)... his weight then was 120. Now, if you look at him during TII, can you really tell me that you believe he weighed SIXTEEN POUNDS MORE during TII than in 2003? I am not even going to post pictures, because I know I'll get accused of posting ones where he looks "extra big" in 03 and "extra small" in TII.. but look for yourself. (Also, do any of you have bootlegs of the movie from when it was in theaters? If you do, watch it.. then watch the DVD. Tell me if you see a difference in how much it looks like he weighs. Seriously.). I do not understand it myself. I do not have all of the answers, guys, I wish I did. All I can say is with or without Karen's words, I would have a hard time believing that he weighed sixteen pounds MORE in 2009 than he did in 2003. I just.. don't know. I would also like to put this out there - if Karen were, in fact, lying about the weight.. don't you think she knew she would get caught? Why would she say he weighed less than she was told? Why would she even be making any of this up at all? What does she have to gain by saying that he was too think?

Now, let me ask you again. You are talking about how you are sticking with the "facts"? WHAT FACTS? What have you proven? It's been months already and you're all still babbling on and have not proven ONE SINGLE THING. How, in your mind, is that "the facts"??? All you are DOING is speculating!


We all know that she is feeding Roger Friedman with stories. Karen Fake admitted herself (months ago on her facebook) that she recently have started to communicate with him. This is such a betrayal. He has written so many awful stories about Michael Jackson before and Karen Fake now gives him information? What a friend she is! We all know that she is the one giving him stories about Grace. We are not stupid.

Okay, what is this BS now? What are you talking about? When did Karen EVER say herself that she "recently started to communicate with RF"? Proof? Anyone? I don't know about that. I never heard her say that and I cannot imagine that being true. Karen does not talk to tabloids. If she WAS doing that (which I am fining VERY difficult to believe), then it would have ha to have been for a DAMN good reason. I simply do not believe that she would talk to a tabloid after what they did to Michael. So, again. Anyone? Proof? (PS, even if she did say "communicate", perhaps that is not the same thing as "giving information". Although, my blind faith on this one, still tells me no way. I am admitting that I cannot be sure as I did not see that comment - but I do not this that that comment even exists. Sorry. It's not like you all have proven yourselves particularly trustworthy with the "facts" and I trust Karen's history with tabloids more than your words with no proof. Call me crazy.. LOL..

She has attacked Grace, Raymone and Shana. She has accused Grace and Raymone of drugging Michael and control him. Stop belittle Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson made Raymone the general manager of MJJproductions in 2006. Michael Jackson was very much aware of his business. Karen accuses these women from keeping her away from Michael. Michael called the people he wanted to call. As a matter of fact, when he was living abroad, he invited the Lesters to celebrate Christmas with him in Bahrain, he met with Chris Tucker in Dubai, he met with Michael Lee Busch in Ireland and he called Liz Taylor, Mickey Rooney and many others often from Bahrain. Is she gonna blame them as well and say they didn't have MJS best wishes at heart? That they, Liz Taylor, Chris Tucker, the Lesters, ignored his abuse and that's why Raymone and Grace wouldn't mind him seeing or talking with them? Don't also forget that MJ went and met with Shana e year ago at her house. LOL


You all have a very interesting definition of the word "attacked". When Karen gets harassed on Twitter, no one is attacking her, right? But if she says one thing (that gets totally twisted around) then SHE is attacking people. Very strange.

I am not going to touch on what you have just said. At the end of the day, none of us know unless we were there (and even then we may not know) what was going on and why. I feel that that is something you and I and anyone should not be trying to use our own powers of reasoning to guess. We have absolutely no idea what was going on behind the scenes. Trust who you want to trust and what you want to trust and why. But I would suggest that you stop making your take on this situation as fact. Take some of what has been said (what has been ACTUALLY said, not what you've heard on various Lipstick Alley or whatever forums and think about it. Just think with an open mind. Try to understand... and btw, I am curious.. since you all seem to have his phone bills or something.. how come you are so sure that he called Liz etc from Bahrain but not Karen? Just asking. :)


She claims that AEG brought Kenny Ortega and Frank Dileo back. MJ has worked with Kenny for two world -tours . If this is the case, how don't we know that AEG also brought her back? She claims that MJ personally called her back. Kenny and Frank also claims that MJ personally called them back. So, are they lying? What do they gain on lying and why would they lie about that? Don't forget that Michael's hair-stylist Lynda Parnish (he replaced Karen with Lynda Parnish, LOL) was going to work with MJ on the tour, but all of a sudden Karen shows up.

Good point. I guess we DON'T know that AEG didn't bring her back. But, let me ask you this - if, as you say, Michael was against Karen for all of the crazy evil things (lol) that she did back in 05, then even if it WAS AEG that called her back, why wouldn't Michael have just been like "...no."? I mean you all say he was in charge of all of his business and had a say in everything, so explain that?

I do not know who asked Kenny to come back. I do not know who asked Frank to come back. I do know that of course they have things to gain by saying MJ hired them himself.. come on. So... all of a sudden Karen turned up? What are you attempting to imply with that?


I think that's enough for now. Sorry this got so long. Part two will be up shortly...